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    Èìà ëè ïîëçà îò õàðäóåðíà âèðòóàëèçàöèÿ ó äîìà

    Çäðàâåéòå, íîâàê ñúì òóê è ñúì èçïðàâåí ïðåä äèëåìà - Intel 2160 èëè AMD Athlon X2 BE-2350. Àíàëîãè÷íà ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò. Îò íÿêîëêî äíè ÷åòà òóê êàê èíòåëñêèÿ ñå êëîêâàë ñ áîêñîâèÿ îõëàäèòåë è ò.í. Ïúðâèÿò å ñ îêîëî 25-30 ëåâà ïî-åâòèí, à âòîðèÿò ïúê å ñ AMD-V è ïî-íèñêî ïîòðåáëåíèå. Èñêàì äà ñãëîáÿ ìàøèíêà ñ âãðàäåíî âèäåî çà áðàóç, ÷åòåíå, òåñò íà âñåâúçìîæíè ïðîãðàìêè, òåñò íà âñåâúçìîæíè Ëèíóêñ/ÁÑÄ äèñòðîòà, çàíèìàâêè ñ âèðòóàëíè ìàøèíè è îòâðåìå-íàâðåìå ãëåäàíå íà íÿêîé ôèëì. Çíàì ÷å âãðàäåíîòî âèäåî íå å çà ïðåäïî÷èòàíå, íî... ðåàëíîñòè (ðàçáèðàé ôèíàíñè). Àêî ñå îïàðè÷à çàíàïðåä ìîæå äà áîäíà åäíî FX8õõõ. È íåùî, íåêàñàåùî ïðîöåñîðíàòà òåìà - R690G/SB600 èëè GeForce7050/nForce630a ? Çíàì, ÷å ATI ìíîãî íå ñå èìà ñ Linux, íî íàïîñëåäúê AMD ïîîòâîðèõà ìàëêî ñïåöèôèêàöèèòå.

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    Çäðàâåéòå, íîâàê ñúì òóê è ñúì èçïðàâåí ïðåä äèëåìà - Intel 2160 èëè AMD Athlon X2 BE-2350. Àíàëîãè÷íà ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò. Îò íÿêîëêî äíè ÷åòà òóê êàê èíòåëñêèÿ ñå êëîêâàë ñ áîêñîâèÿ îõëàäèòåë è ò.í. Ïúðâèÿò å ñ îêîëî 25-30 ëåâà ïî-åâòèí, à âòîðèÿò ïúê å ñ AMD-V è ïî-íèñêî ïîòðåáëåíèå. Èñêàì äà ñãëîáÿ ìàøèíêà ñ âãðàäåíî âèäåî çà áðàóç, ÷åòåíå, òåñò íà âñåâúçìîæíè ïðîãðàìêè, òåñò íà âñåâúçìîæíè Ëèíóêñ/ÁÑÄ äèñòðîòà, çàíèìàâêè ñ âèðòóàëíè ìàøèíè è îòâðåìå-íàâðåìå ãëåäàíå íà íÿêîé ôèëì. Çíàì ÷å âãðàäåíîòî âèäåî íå å çà ïðåäïî÷èòàíå, íî... ðåàëíîñòè (ðàçáèðàé ôèíàíñè). Àêî ñå îïàðè÷à çàíàïðåä ìîæå äà áîäíà åäíî FX8õõõ. È íåùî, íåêàñàåùî ïðîöåñîðíàòà òåìà - R690G/SB600 èëè GeForce7050/nForce630a ? Çíàì, ÷å ATI ìíîãî íå ñå èìà ñ Linux, íî íàïîñëåäúê AMD ïîîòâîðèõà ìàëêî ñïåöèôèêàöèèòå.
    Çà äà ñè îòãîâîðèø äàëè èìà ñìèñúë îò AMD-V ïúðâî ñè îòãîåîðè êàêâî ùå ïîëçâàø çà õèïåðâàéçîð, äàëè ãî ïîääúðæà è äàëè âúîáùå ùå ìîæåø äà ãî ñëîæèø íà òâîéòà ìàøèíà...
    “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” ― Stephen Hawking
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    Àìè íà åäíà îò ñòàðèòå ìè ìàøèíè Mobile Barton 2600+ @ 2,2GHz 1,45VCore / Asus A7V880 / 512 MB íå ïîìíÿ âå÷å òàéìèíãèòå, ñè ïîäêàðâàõ âèðòóàëíè ìàøèíè ñ õèïåðâàéçîð "Type 2 (or hosted)" ñïîðåä http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor ò.å VMWare, MS VirtualPC è VirtualBox íà Innotek. Íå âèæäàì êàêúâ å ïðîáëåìà äà íå ìîãà äà ãî ñëîæà íà ñèñòåìà ñ îêîëî 3 ãîäèíè ïî-"ìëàäà" îò ãîðåïîñî÷åíàòà. Ìèñëÿ, ÷å ïàñàæà "CPU vendors have added hardware virtualization assistance to their products. Intel's is called VT (codenamed Vanderpool), AMD's is referred to as AMD Virtualization or AMD-V (codename: Pacifica). These extensions address the parts of x86 that are difficult or inefficient to virtualize, providing additional support to the hypervisor. This enables simpler virtualization code and a higher performance for full virtualization." äîáèâà ïðåêàëåíî ãîëÿìî çíà÷åíèå íà ôîíà íà ïúðôîðìàíñà, êîéòî èìàõ ñ VMWare â ïîñëåäíî âðåìå, à è VirtualBox-a ñè áåøå ìóäåí. Âúïðîñúò å äàëè â èçðå÷åíèåòî "This enables simpler virtualization code and a higher performance for full virtualization." èìà ãîëÿìà äîçà èñòèíà èëè ïî-ñêîðî ðàç÷èòà íà îáåùàíèÿòà íà ðàçðàáîò÷èöèòå.

    P.S. Àìè òåçè http://blogs.technet.com/jhoward/arc...04/427210.aspx http://www.hanselman.com/blog/Virtua...alization.aspx
    ïèñàíèÿ ìå óáåäèõà, ÷å å ïî-ïîäõîäÿùî äà ñè âçåìà ïðîöåñîð÷å ñ ïîääðúæêà íà õàðäóåðíàòà âèðòóàëèçàöèÿ è äà ñïåñòÿ ìàëêî âðåìå.
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    Âçèìàé Intel 2160 è êëîêâàé äî äóïêà.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=143943360
    Çà ñúæàëåíèå â òåêóùàòà ñòðàíèöà çà âèðòóàëèçàöèÿòà òîâà ïàñàñ÷å å èçòðèòî.
    VMware — on Intel processors, VMware Workstation 5.5 requires Intel VT to execute 64-bit guests.[8] For 32-bit guests, use of VT is possible but not enabled by default because for normal workloads it's slower.[9][10]
    Have no fear ike iz here.
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    Òî õóáàâî Å2160, àìà öåíèòå íà èíòåëñêèòå äúíà ñà ñúñ 70+ ëåâà ïî-ñêúïè îò òèÿ çà ÀÌÄ. Ãîâîðÿ çà òúðãîâöèòå, äî êîèòî å îãðàíè÷åí èçáîðà ìè. È ïî-íèñêàòà öåíà íà 2160 ñå ïðåâðúùà â çíà÷èòåëíî ïî-âèñîêà ïî òîçè íà÷èí .
    HDD = supermarket; RAM = basement freezer; L3 = fridge->bottom drawer/rack; L2 = fridge->top drawer/rack; L1 = cutting board; CPU = you're cooking

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    Âúïðîñà íàëè òè áåøå çà âèðòóàëèçàöèÿòà, â òâîÿ ñëó÷àé ñ vmware íÿìàø íóæäà îò AMD-V, òúé ÷å ìîæåø äà èçáåðåø Intel-a, íàòàì òè ñè ïðåöåíÿâàø ñïîðåä ôèíàíñîâèòå âúçìîæíîñòè.

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