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    Do you use Sun Spark servers for hosting
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    I wonder do you use Sun Spark servers for hosting and VPS. Are they better than x86 servers?

    Hi, in my experience, sparc based architecture is not a very efficient solution for webhosting (in terms of cost and performance). I would stick to x86 if I were you unless you have a very demanding application and you have a huge budget. =]

    I personally am a huge fan of SUN and in the old days they dominated hosting..when hosting prices were normal (in my opinion) where a hosting account would cost you minimum $25-$50 per month and everything was realistic. SGI tried to break in with their webforce, but I think they should stick to NASA and major computing applications...however, SUN has move towards energy efficiency, but unfortunately, like Apple..their still out of most people price range.

    You'll find more big business using SUN products and services because of name and accountability ..like government, fortune 1000 etc..is it worth it to use for mass market hosting..well, yes and no..not on a large scale, but I do think it is great for niche market hosting and to be honest..people that want SUN type hosting know what they are doing and pay a slight premium..more likely to lead to less support issues etc..so long as you keep your end of the bargain and take care of the network and servers.


    I think it is Sparc (not K) unless they came up with a new line. Last summer we've trashed about 20 fully functional SUN servers - even paid to take them out of our Data Center.
    It is expensive to buy new ones, but you can get for free (or get paid) for taking old equipment from somebody (the same goes for x86 HW). The problem is that they are using a lot of power and bigger servers are using a lot of space. So if you own a barn with a lot of cheap power and some Internet connectivity it could be a good option.


    Tulix is right on, the Sparc platform is not really up to 2009 standards. They're stuck in 2001 which is why Sun has moved to Opterons for their primary offerings. They still sell UltraSparcs but they don't shine unless they run Solaris and if you run Solaris your software options become a bit more difficult. Solaris also has it's own set of nuances. Solaris was king during the tech boom but those days are over and while the various Sparc platforms can run Linux...why when Intel and AMD can run them just as good for 1/2 the price?

    Sun, god bless them, is a dying company from a hardware standpoint. Almost all of their R&D dollars are in software these days. There are still some die hards out there and I get all nostalgic when I see rows of e220s or 440s in my customer data centers but that's about all they are good for these days. It's common hardware and the Sparc/Ultrasparc is a dinosaur in what is otherwise a 2 horse race.

    You also have to take into account that Solaris is vastly different from Linux. You'll be paying more to support them.


    The Sun Sparc line scales far better than anything in the x86 line. You can get a single box (not a blade cage nor a server) with 32 cores and 256 hardware threads - nothing in the x86 or x64 world comes close. However, you'll pay for that. This is not commodity hardware like most people on WHT are used to.

    On the operating system side you can run Solaris or Linux. Debian has support for the Sparc architecture as do other distributions. Linux has a very Windows'esq architecture in that there is a bunch built into the kernel - support for thousands of devices that I don't use. Sun had the same architecture about 20 years ago with SunOS. But since Solaris came out in 1991 it has been separate so that, unlike Linux, I'm not panicked when a new kernel is released that my video will no longer work.

    In general the hosting market is driven significantly by cost. Generic commodity hardware is cheaper and, therefore, more readily available. I myself have been programming on Sun hardware for about 20 years but lease a x86 based Linux box for my dedicated server - I can't afford anything in the Sun line.


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