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    Æàäåí ñúì . . . Bloody's Avatar
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    AMD Athlon 64 âå÷å îôèöèàëíî...

     ñëó÷àÿ òîâà, êîåòî íàé-ìíîãî íè âúëíóâà...

    Pricing and Availability
    More than 60 manufacturers and system builders worldwide feature the AMD Athlon 64 FX processor and the AMD Athlon 64 processors for desktop and notebook computers. The AMD Athlon 64 processor is available in Model 3200+ for desktop computing, priced at $417 in 1,000-unit quantities, and Models 3200+ and 3000+ for notebook computing, priced at $417 and $278 in 1,000-unit quantities, respectively. The AMD Athlon 64 FX processor is available in the FX-51 series, and is priced at $733 in 1,000-unit quantities. FX is the class designator and the number 51 is the series designation. It is odd numbered on purpose – to stand out, much like the processor.


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    Íåçíàì êàêâî ñè ìèñëèòå,íî âèå êàêâî î÷àêâàòå äà âè ïóñíàò ïðîöåñîð îò òàêúâ êëàñ çà 100-150$,ìè ìíîãî ÿñíî ÷å âàøàòà íÿìà äà ÿ áúäå.ÙÅ ìèíàò íÿêîëêî ìåñåöà,ùå ïóñíàò íîâè ìîäåëè òåçè ùå ïîåâòèíåÿò è äî ÿíóàðè-ôåáðóàðè öåíèòå íà òåçè ùå ñà îêîëî 100$,Íåâèæäàòå ëè ÷å âèíàãè íîâèòå ïðîöåñîðè ñå âúðòÿò îêîëî òåçè öåíè,òîåñò òàçè öåíà å íàïúëíî íîðìàëíà.Ñïîðåä ìåí íåãîäóâàòå çàùîòî ìíîãî ìàëêî õîðà â Áà ùå ìîãàò äà ñè ïîçâîëÿò äà äàäàò 500$ çà íîâ ïðîöåñîð è äúíî.Íî äî íÿêîëêî ìåñåöà òå ùå ïîåâòèíåÿò ùå èçëÿçàò íîâè ìîäåëè ïðîöåñîðè è äúíà íà ïî ïðèåìëèâà öåíà è äîâå÷å îò ïîòðåáèòåëèòå ëåêà ïî ëåêà ùå ìèíàò íà À64.

    Íàëè âèäÿõòå ÷å íîâèÿ ðåêîðä íà 3Ä ÌÀðê å ñ À64.

    Òîåñò â íà÷àëîòî íÿìà äà å èçãîäíà ïîêóïêà çà áúëãàðèòå íî äî ïîëîâèí ãîäèíà äîñòà îò ïðèòåæàòåëèòå íà ÀÕÏ ëåêî ïî ëåêî ùå ìèíàò íà À64.
    Ïîìíåòå ìè äóìèòå.

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    ãîëÅì ðÚï acdc's Avatar
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    Å êàòî êàçâàø ñêúïî (íà $445 ñå ïðîäàâà íà äðåáíî â ùàòèòå), êàæè êàêâî ïî-åâòèíî îò òîçè êëàñ ìîæåø äà ñè êóïèø ïðè ïîëîæåíèå, ÷å P4 3.2G ñòðóâà $617???
    Òîâà äà íå òè å ïðîöåñîð çà ïðîñòîëþäèåòî òà äà ñòðóâà $50-60? Ñèãóðíî è òàêèâà öåíè ùå èìà, àìà ñëåä 1 ãîäèíà.

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    Åõ, êàêâî ñå êîñèòå?! Ñëåä ãîäèíè (äà ñìå æèâè è çäðàâè) àêî çíàåòå êîëêî ïúòè ùå òðÿáâà äà ñå áúìï-âà òåìà â "Äàëàâåðè" ñúñ ñúáäæåêò "Ïðîäàâàì À64 3200+ çà $20"... :lol: :lol: :lol:
    Z97X Fatal1ty Killer | 4790K @4.6GHz | 16GB Crucial | EVGA 1070 | Crucial M550 256GB + 2TB TOSHIBA + 1TB WD Black | CM HAF X | LG 27UK650-W
    ThinkPad X200 Tablet C2D SL9400 | 8GB | 60GB Crucial M4 | WXGA
    ThinkPad T480s i7-8650U | 16GB | 512GB WD SN720 | WQHD

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    âñå ïàê äîáðàòà íîâèíà å, ÷å 3200+ àì64 å ìàëêî ïî åâòèí îò 3200+ àì32 ïðîöåñîð..

    îíÿâåíèòå öåíè îò ÀÌÄ ñà
    64 áèò 3200+ $417
    32 áèò 3200+ $464

    Âñå ïàê åäèí 3.2 Ï4 íà 800 ìõç ôáñ ñòðóâà îêîëî 660$
    êîåòî å ñ îêîëî 50% + öåíàòà íà 64 áèòîâ àìä 3200+
    à èíà÷å îíåçè ïåíòèóì4 åêñòèì ñ 2 ìá êåø öåíàòà èì å òî÷íî çà åêñòðåìèñòè... Òîâà ñïîðåä ìåí ñè å ÷èñò Êñåîí... Ïðè òîâà ìàëêî îâúðêëîêíàò... íà öåíà ìàëêî ïî-âèñîêà (ïðåäïîëàãàì) îò êñåîíà...
    fsñk

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    Originally posted by Creep
    Åõ, êàêâî ñå êîñèòå?! Ñëåä ãîäèíè (äà ñìå æèâè è çäðàâè) àêî çíàåòå êîëêî ïúòè ùå òðÿáâà äà ñå áúìï-âà òåìà â "Äàëàâåðè" ñúñ ñúáäæåêò "Ïðîäàâàì À64 3200+ çà $20"... :lol: :lol: :lol:
    ÷óë òå Áîã )
    fsñk

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    ãîëÅì ðÚï acdc's Avatar
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    Àç ìèñëÿ, ÷å öåíàòà å ñúâñåì íîðìàëíà çà íîâ ïðîöåñîð. Âñè÷êè ñè ñïîìíÿìå íà êàêâè öåíè ñòàðòèðà ïðåäè ãîäèíè ñëîòîâèÿ Àòëîí, òàêà ÷å ùå èìà êîðåêöèè â öåíèòå è áàâíî ùå ïàäà.

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    Êàòî îáñúæäàìå âúïðîñà çà öåíèòå, òðÿáâà äîáðå äà ñè äàâàìå ñìåòêà çà íÿêîëêî èçêëþ÷èòåëíî âàæíè ôàêòîðà.
    Íà ïúðâî ìÿñòî èìàìå Àòëîí 64 è Àòëîí ÔÕ 51, êàòî ðàçëèêàòà ìåæäó äâàòà å ôóíäàìåíòàëíà. Àêî Àòëîí 64 å åäèí ìîäèôèöèðàí 32 áèòîâ Àòëîí, êîéòî èçïðåâàðâà ïî ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò ñâîÿ ïðåäøåñòâåíèê ñ 10 - 15%, òî èñòèíñêèÿò ïðåëîì å Àòëîí ÔÕ. Âòîðèÿò, çà ðàçëèêà îò ïúðâèÿ, èìà ïúëíîöåíåí 128 áèòîâ êîíòðîëåð íà ïàìåòòà, êîåòî ìó ïîçâîëÿâà äà ïîñòèãíå ïðîïóñêâàòåëíà ñïîñîáíîñò íà ïàìåòòà îò ðîäà íà 5500 êá/ñåê ñ/ó 3000 êá/ñåê ïðè Àòëîí 64, êîéòî èìà îðÿçàí 64 áèòîâ êîíòðîëåð íà ïàìåòòà. Ñ äðóãè äóìè êàçàíî ïðè Àòëîí 64 èìàìå ïîäîáðÿâàíå íà ñåãàøíèÿ Àòëîí ÷ðåç äîáàâÿíå íà 64 áèòîâà ïîääðúæêà, 1 Ìá êåø ñúñ 128 áèòîâà øèíà è îñàêàòÿâàíå ñ íåïúëíîöåíåí êîíòðîëåð íà ïàìåòòà. Àòëîí ÔÕ â ñúùîòî âðåìå å ÷èñòî è ïðîñòî äåñêòîï âåðñèÿ íà Îïòåðîí, íî ñúñ ñúîòâåòíèòå öåíîâè äîáàâêè, ïðîèçòè÷àùè êàêòî îò ïî-ñêúïèÿ ïðîöåñîð, òàêà è îò íåîáõîäèìîñòòà äà ñå èçïîëçâà ðåãèñòðèðàíà ïàìåò.
    Îò ãîðíîòî ñëåäâà èçâîäúò, ÷å Àòëîí 64 ñå ïîçèöèîíèðà ïî-ñêîðî â íèñêèÿ ñåêòîð, êîéòî äîñåãà áåøå ïðèñúù íà äóðîíèòå, äîêàòî Àòëîí ÔÕ çàåìà ãîðíèÿ ñåêòîð ïðè äåñêòîï ñèñòåìèòå, íî öåíàòà ìó å òâúðäå ñîëåíà. Îò ïîòðåáèòåëñêà ãëåäíà òî÷êà Àòëîí 64 íå å êîé çíàå êàêúâ ïðîáèâ. Èñòèíñêàòà ðåâîëþöèÿ å â ñìàéâàùàòà ïðîïóñêâàòåëíà ñïîñîáíîñò íà ïàìåòòà ïðè ÔÕ, íî çà òîâà ùå òðÿáâà äà ñå ïëàùà âèñîêà öåíà.
    Îñâåí òîâà öåíàòà íà Àòëîí 64/ÔÕ åäâà ëè ùå ïàäíå òîëêîâà áúðçî è ïîðàäè îùå åäíà ïðè÷èíà - ïëîùòà íà êðèñòàëà. Òÿ å òâúðäå âèñîêà è ïðàâè ïðîöåñîðà ñêúï. Åäâà ïðè 0.09 ìêì òåõíîëîãèÿ ÀÌÄ ùå ìîæå äà ñè ïîçâîëè äà ñâàëè öåíèòå íà Àòëîí 64 ñåðèÿòà. Äîòîãàâà Èíòåë ùå èìà èçâåñòíî ïðåäèìñòâî, äîêîëêîòî ùå ìîæå äà îïðåäåëÿ öåíèòå íà ñúîòâåòíèòå ïðîöåñîðè, êàòî ñè ïîçâîëÿâà èçâåñòíà çàãóáà, êîÿòî ùå ñå ñìåê÷àâà îò äîìèíèðàùàòà ïàçàðíà ïîçèöèÿ íà ôèðìàòà.
    AMD FX 959o@47oo@default, NB@2áoo@ 1.33 v.; Silver Arrow SB-E; ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z; 4x4Gb Corsair CMX4GX3M1A 16oo C7 @2133 10-12-11 2T 1.66 v.; Sapphire TRI-X R9 290X, Corsair TX85oM, LG34UM95-P etc.

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    Originally posted by Dr. P
    ......êîåòî ìó ïîçâîëÿâà äà ïîñòèãíå ïðîïóñêâàòåëíà ñïîñîáíîñò íà ïàìåòòà îò ðîäà íà 5500 êá/ñåê ñ/ó 3000 êá/ñåê ïðè Àòëîí 64.....
    Äà äîóòî÷íÿ ñàìî: Athlon 64 FX - 6.4 GB/s, Athlon 64 - 3.2 GB/s

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    Íàñòîÿù øåô íà Èíòåë Joredos's Avatar
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    Dual Channel ìó å ìàéêàòà.
    Íå îòãîâàðÿì íà íåãðàìîòíè ïîñòîâå. Äà èçòèêàìå HWBG ïàïëà÷òà! Êîïèðàéòå ãî â ïîäïèñà ñè, çà äà ñè âúðíåì ôîðóìà.
    Èìàì ñè áëîã è ñè ëàÿ â íåãî

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    ãîëÅì ðÚï acdc's Avatar
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    Àáå íåìîãà äà "âäÿíà" òîÿ FX çà êîé ñåãìåíò íà ïàçàðà ãî ãëàñÿò
    ßñíî å, ÷å íå å çà ðàáîòíè ñòàíöèè è ñúðâúðè çàùîòî òàì ñè èìà îïòåðîíè. Îáà÷å çà äåñêòîï ñèñòåìè ñ registered DDR400 SDRAM, å òîâà íåìîãà äà ãî ðàçáåðà?
    Òîé ïðîöåñîðà, ÷å å ñêúï å ÿñíî àìà àêî ñëîæèø è 1GB registered ïàìåò, íàïðàâî ìîæå äà âëåçíåø â êíèãàòà íà Ãèíåñ çà íàé-ñêúïà äåñêòîï ìàøèíà.

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    Originally posted by Dr. P
    .... Åäâà ïðè 0.09 ìêì òåõíîëîãèÿ ÀÌÄ ùå ìîæå äà ñè ïîçâîëè äà ñâàëè öåíèòå íà Àòëîí 64 ñåðèÿòà...
    Ñ âñåêè ïðåõîä êúì íîâà òåõíîãèÿòà öåíàòà íà îáîðóäâàíåòî ðàñòå åêñïîíåíöèàëíî, îò òàçè ãëåäíà òî÷êà íå ñúì ñúâñåì ñúãëàñåí, ùîòî íå å ñèãóðíî îùå ïðîäàæáèòå êîëêî ñòðúìíî ùå ñå òðúãíàò íàãîðå çà À64.
    don't be a prick, hot chick, be a dick

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    MIO, Íàïúëíî ñúì ñúãëàñåí çà öåíàòà íà îáîðóäâàíåòî, íî ïúê îáîðóäâàíå ñå êóïóâà âåäíúæ, êîåòî ùå ðå÷å, ÷å ñëåä êàòî ñå âúçâúðíå èíâåñòèöèÿòà, ïðîèçâîäñòâîòî ñå ñòàáèëèçèðà íà îïðåäåëåíà öåíà, êîÿòî âúâ âñåêè ñëó÷àé å ïî-íèñêà îò ïðîèçâîäñòâåíàòà öåíà íà 0.13 ìêì-èÿ ïðîöåñ.
    ACDC, àêî òîâà ùå òå óñïîêîè, ÷åòîõ, ÷å äîãîäèíà ÔÕ ùÿë äà èçëèçà ñ ïîääðúæêà íà íîðìàëíà ïàìåò. Ïðîñòî òîâà ùå áúäå mainstream ïðîöåñîðúò, à Àòëîí 64 ùå å â äîëíèÿ ñåãìåò. Òîâà õè÷ íå å çëå, çàùîòî ïðîöåñîð îò êëàñàòà íà ñåãàøíèÿ Àòëîí âèäèìî ùå áúäå ïîçèöèîíèðàí â ïî-íèñêà öåíîâà êàòåãîðèÿ. Å âúïðîñúò å, ðàçáèðà ñå, äàëè òàçè "íèñêà" êàòåãîðèÿ íÿìà äà áúäå ïî-âèñîêà îò Àòëîí 32...
    AMD FX 959o@47oo@default, NB@2áoo@ 1.33 v.; Silver Arrow SB-E; ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z; 4x4Gb Corsair CMX4GX3M1A 16oo C7 @2133 10-12-11 2T 1.66 v.; Sapphire TRI-X R9 290X, Corsair TX85oM, LG34UM95-P etc.

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    Àáå ÷óäÿ ñå, òîâà "FX" îò êúäå ëè ãî èçìèñëèõà... Äîñåãà áåøå "XP", êîåòî åñòåñòâåíî íåìà àáñîëþòíî íèùî îáùî ñ îïåðàöèîííàòà ñèñòåìà ñúñ ñúùîòî ðàçøèðåíèå (äîëíè èíñèíóàöèè). ×óäÿ ñå è íå ìîãà äà ñå ñåòÿ... Äîñòà îðèãèíàëíî ìè çâó÷è... Äðóãî ñè å, êàòî âîäèø ïàçàðà - èçìèñëÿø ðàçøèðåíèÿòà, à ïîñëå äðóãèòå ãè êîïèðàò...

    Íàïðàâî ÷àêàì ñëåäâàøèòå ïðîöåñîðè íà Intel äà ñå êàçâàò Ïåíòåðîí64 (P64) AR (AthlonRating) 3500-

    Ìè äà...

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    ãîëÅì ðÚï acdc's Avatar
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    Õàèäå ïðèãîòâÿéòå ïàðè ìîì÷åòà
    CPU - $733
    2x512MB Registered DDR 400 SDRAM (Kingston) - $450
    MB - $150-180
    Total: $1330-1360

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    Originally posted by acdc
    Õàèäå ïðèãîòâÿéòå ïàðè ìîì÷åòà
    CPU - $733
    2x512MB Registered DDR 400 SDRAM (Kingston) - $450
    MB - $150-180
    Total: $1330-1360
    Íàé-ñìåøíîòî å, ÷å íÿêîé ùå ñè êóïè òàêàâà ìàøèíà ñàìî çà äà ñè ïóñêà êðàêíàòèÿ 3Ä Ìàðê, ùîòî 20$ ìó ñå âèæäàò ìíîãî

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    Ñïîðåä ìåí ïîêóïêàòà íà ïðîöåñîð ïî-ñêúï îò 100-150 äîëàðà å áåçóìèå - ÀÊÎ ÍÅ ÑÅ ÊÓÏÓÂÀ ÇÀ ÐÀÁÎÒÀ. Îïèòà ñî÷è ÷å âèíàãè íàé-áúðçèÿ ïðîöåñîð å êúì 500+ äîëàðà, è å ïî-áúðç ñ ~ 20-íà % îò ñòðóâàùèòå 100-150 ....
    Êîëêîòî äî ÀÌÄ è 0.09 - èìà ñëóõîâå ÷å ùå ñå âúçïîëçâàò îò çàâîäèòå íà ÈÁÌ ...
    È íà âúëíà ñëóõîâå - ÔÕ è Îïòåðîíà ìîæå áè ìîãàò äà ðàáîòÿò ñ îáèêíîâåíà ïàìåò - ÍÎ - ïðè òåñòîâå ñå îêàçàëî ÷å ãîëÿì % îò ïðîäàâàíèòå íà ïàçàðà "DDR400" ïàìåòè, íå èçäúðæàò ïðè íàòîâàðâàíå - âãðàäåíèÿ êîíòðîëåð äîñòà ïî-òåæêî "òîâàðè" ÷èïîâåòå. È ñëåä ðàçìèñúë ÀÌÄ ðåøèëè (çàñåãà, ìîæå áè ÷ðåç ìèêðîêîä èëè ÁÈÎÑ), äà "çàáðàíÿò" ïî åäèí èëè äðóã íà÷èí èçïîëçâàíåòî íà íå-registered ïàìåò (êîÿòî å ñêúïà è ïî-áàâíà îò îáèêíîâåíàòà, íî ÃÀÐÀÍÒÈÐÀ íàäåæäíà ðàáîòà). Ïàê êàçâàì - òîâà å ñëóõ

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    Ñàìî ÷àêàì äà ìè ïàäíå åäíà áðîéêà äà ñè ÿ ïîòåñòâàì ïúê äà âèäèì êàêâî ùå èçëåçå... ïèñíà ìè äà ÷åòà ðàçíè ñëóõîâå è ïðåâþòà


    Ïï. Çà ìîìåíòà AMD èìà ìíîãî ìàëêî êîëè÷åñòâî 64-êè ïðîèçâåäåíè... äîñòà îò ïðîáëåìèòå ñà áèëè çàáåëÿçàíè ïðè èíæèíåðíèòå òåñòîâè áðîéêè, òàêà ÷å âúâ ôèíàëíèòå ìîæå è äà ñà èç÷èñòåíè ïðîáëåìèòå...

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    Originally posted by Dr. P
    Àêî Àòëîí 64 å åäèí ìîäèôèöèðàí 32 áèòîâ Àòëîí, êîéòî èçïðåâàðâà ïî ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò ñâîÿ ïðåäøåñòâåíèê ñ 10 - 15%, òî èñòèíñêèÿò ïðåëîì å Àòëîí ÔÕ.
    Ïî-òî÷íî å äà ñå êàæå ÷å Àòëîí 64 å åäèí îðÿçàí Îïòåðîí(èëè íîâ äþðîí) îòêîëêîòî ÷å å ïðåðàáîòåí Àòëîí 32 çàùîòî íÿìàò íèùî îáùî
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    Originally posted by QWERTY
    Àáå ÷óäÿ ñå, òîâà "FX" îò êúäå ëè ãî èçìèñëèõà... Äîñåãà áåøå "XP", êîåòî åñòåñòâåíî íåìà àáñîëþòíî íèùî îáùî ñ îïåðàöèîííàòà ñèñòåìà ñúñ ñúùîòî ðàçøèðåíèå (äîëíè èíñèíóàöèè). ×óäÿ ñå è íå ìîãà äà ñå ñåòÿ... Äîñòà îðèãèíàëíî ìè çâó÷è... Äðóãî ñè å, êàòî âîäèø ïàçàðà - èçìèñëÿø ðàçøèðåíèÿòà, à ïîñëå äðóãèòå ãè êîïèðàò...

    Íàïðàâî ÷àêàì ñëåäâàøèòå ïðîöåñîðè íà Intel äà ñå êàçâàò Ïåíòåðîí64 (P64) AR (AthlonRating) 3500-

    Ìè äà...
    "Launch partner Nvidia is standing by AMD for the launch of Desktop Athlon 64 CPUs. This cooperation is quite evident by the names - Athlon 64 FX and GeForce FX. Only three chipset developers were considered as part of preselection: ATI, Nvidia and VIA. The decision went to Nvidia."

    Ñ äâå äóìè ÿâíî äâåòå êîìïàíèè çäðàâî ñà ñå çäóøèëè... Íî ìíîãî òúïî èçãëåæäà ãîëÿìà êîìïàíèÿ êàòî AMD äà âçàèìñòâà èìåòî ñè çà îïðåäåëåí ïðîäóêò îò äðóãà...

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    Originally posted by Dr. P

    Íà ïúðâî ìÿñòî èìàìå Àòëîí 64 è Àòëîí ÔÕ 51, êàòî ðàçëèêàòà ìåæäó äâàòà å ôóíäàìåíòàëíà. Àêî Àòëîí 64 å åäèí ìîäèôèöèðàí 32 áèòîâ Àòëîí, êîéòî èçïðåâàðâà ïî ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò ñâîÿ ïðåäøåñòâåíèê ñ 10 - 15%, òî èñòèíñêèÿò ïðåëîì å Àòëîí ÔÕ.
    Õììì, çíà÷è ëè ÷å ñïîðåä òåáå:
    "80386 å åäèí ìîäèôèöèðàí 8086, êîéòî èçïðåâàðâà ñâîÿ ïðåäøåñòâåíèê ñ 10-15%...."

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    Èçðàçèë ñúì ñå íåòî÷íî. Ðàçáèðà ñå, ÷å íå ìèñëÿ, ÷å Àòëîí 64 å ëåêî ìîäèôèöèðàí Àòëîí 32. Èäåÿòà ìè áåøå, ÷å â ñìèñúë íà ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò Àòëîí 64 íå å íåùî ðåâîëþöèîííî (å, îñâåí àêî íå ñòàíå òàêúâ â 64 áèòîâà ñðåäà), òúêìî çàùîòî ìîùíèÿò êîíòðîëåð íà ïàìåòòà ïðè íåãî å îñàêàòåí. Ëîøîòî å, ÷å ÀÌÄ åäâà ëè ùå ïóñêàò ïîâå÷å Àòëîíè îò ñòàðèòå, êîåòî ùå ðå÷å, ÷å ïðè æåëàíèå çà íàäãðàæäàíå, ÷îìåê ùå òðÿáâà äà ñå õàð÷è çà Àòëîí 64+äúíî, à ïúê òàì âåäíàãà èäâà è ìèñúëòà çà Àòëîí ÔÕ... Áå íåïðèÿòíà ðàáîòà...
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    ×àêàéòå ñåãà áðå....À64 3200+ äåòî å 2Ãõç ðåàëíè õè÷ íå ñå ïðåäñòàâÿ çëå, íèùî ÷å å ñ åäíîêàíàëåí êîíòðîëåð íà ïàìåòòà....ïúê è ìàé äîáðå ñå êëîêâà. Àêî è öåíàòà ìó ñòàíå ïðèëè÷íà ïî íÿêîå âðåìå äîãîäèíà, íÿìà äà ñå îïëàêâàòå ìíîãî ìàé. Èíà÷å ÷å èìà äîñòà çàåìêè îò Ê7 ñïîð íÿìà....ìà ùî äà íÿìà êàòî Ê7 ñå îêàçà îòëè÷åí ïðîöåñîð ñ äîáðà ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò?
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    Aáå íå ñå ëè óìîðè äà ïîâòàðÿø åäíà è ñúùà ãëóïîñò â òðè òåìè??? Èíà÷å ñè ìíîãî äîêà÷ëèâ....
    Êàê äà èìà "çàåìêè" îò äðóã ïî-íèñêî ðàçðÿäåí ïðîöåñîð ñ ðàçëè÷åí áðîé ñòúïêè â êîíâåéðà, êàê ñè ãî ïðåäñòàâÿø òîâà? Òî ïî òàçè ëîãèêà ãúç@ å ñâúðçàí ñ âåæäèòå....
    AMD âñå îùå íå ñà îáÿâèëè ðàçëèêèòå â íîâîòî ÿäðî.  À64 ñïåöèôèêàöèèòå íå ñå ñïîìåíàâà äóìàòà ÿäðî, òè êàê òî÷íî óñòàíîâè ïðèëèêèòå è "çàåìêèòå"....
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    Originally posted by mio
    Êàê äà èìà "çàåìêè" îò äðóã ïî-íèñêî ðàçðÿäåí ïðîöåñîð ñ ðàçëè÷åí áðîé ñòúïêè â êîíâåéðà, êàê ñè ãî ïðåäñòàâÿø òîâà? Òî ïî òàçè ëîãèêà ãúç@ å ñâúðçàí ñ âåæäèòå....
    AMD âñå îùå íå ñà îáÿâèëè ðàçëèêèòå â íîâîòî ÿäðî.  À64 ñïåöèôèêàöèèòå íå ñå ñïîìåíàâà äóìàòà ÿäðî, òè êàê òî÷íî óñòàíîâè ïðèëèêèòå è "çàåìêèòå"....
    ×åòè è ñå ïðîñâåùàâàé:

    "I would like to briefly remind you that CPUs with AMD64 architecture are based on the architecture of the classical Athlon XP. The major difference between the new CPUs and the predecessors, which allowed calling them the 8th generation CPUs is support of AMD64 technology, which allows executing 64bit code while retaining full hardware compatibility with the contemporary applications. The implementation of 64bit modes led to broadening of the address space as well as to doubling of the general purpose registers and the corresponding growth of their width to 64bits. However, if you really want to take advantage of the 64bit modes, you need appropriate software supporting AMD64 architecture........As a result, for most users Athlon 64 and Athlon 64 FX are currently none other but an enhanced version of the Athlon XP. These enhancements are not so numerous, to tell the truth, but they will definitely push up the performance.....The major differences of the new processors, which speed them up in common applications (and which you can actually feel quite easily), are larger L2 cache memory and high-performance integrated memory controller with low latency. These two innovations are the keys to increased performance of Athlon 64 and Athlon 64 FX processors.

    Òîâà ãîðíîòî å îò http://www.xbitlabs.com

    À òîâà å îò ëþáèìèÿ çúáîëåêàð:

    On closer inspection the attentive observer might notice that the AMD Hammer's physical foundations look identical to the old Athlon core in many of its details. One of the innovative features of the x86 CPU is the integrated memory controller, for which space was made where the L2 cache normally sits on the Palomino and the Thoroughbred. Apart from new features such as the integrated memory controller and the enlarged L2 cache (1 MB, 16-way associative), the rest of the features remain largely unchanged. This can be seen in our photos comparing it to the Thoroughbred core. As was previously the case, there are nine function units (3 ALU, 3 AGU, FADD, FMUL and FMISC - three integer units and three floating point units) and three x86 decoders - the tried and true design cherished by AMD. Almost untouched are the L1 caches for data and commands with as size of 64 KB each, although now an ECC circuit has been added.

    Ïúê åé òâà å îò www.anandtech.com :

    When we first looked at the K8 around two years ago we noted that, architecturally, not much had changed from the K7. Many attributed this to the old axiom, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," and to a certain extent they were correct. The K7 microarchitecture proved to be an excellent performer, and even to this day has managed to at least remain competitive with Intel's NetBurst microarchitecture found in the Pentium 4........As you can see, the physical number of execution units remains unchanged from the K7. Remember that the K8 core has to be used as the base for both desktop and enterprise class processors, so "going wide" (meaning adding more execution units) wouldn't make an incredible amount of sense for the multipurpose nature of the K8.

    The next thing to notice is that there are already indications of slight changes from the K7. Note that although the floating point units have the same medium-sided scheduling window (36-entry), the integer units are now fed by a larger set of schedulers (24-entry vs. 18 entry in the K7)


    Ïðåäïîëàãàì ÷å àêî ñå ðàçòúðñèø èç íåòà ùå íàìåðèø è îùå òàêèâà ïèñàíèÿ....îñâåí àêî íå òå ìúðçè, è ùå ñè ñïåñòèø ïîñëåäâàùèòå ìúäðè èçêàçâàíèÿ!
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