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    Ôàçè íà M4A785TD-V EVO

    Çäðàâåéòå! Ñêîðî íå ñúì ñå ìÿðêàë èç ôîðóìà, íî ñåãà èìàì åäíà ïèòàíêà.

    ×åòîõ, ÷å çà 4-ÿäðåí ïðîöåñîð áèëî ïî-äîáðå äúíîòî äà èìà 8 ôàçè. Ïúðâî ñå áÿõ ñïðÿë íà GB MA785GT-UD3H îáà÷å âèäÿõ, ÷å èìà 4+1 ôàçè, à äúíîòî íà ASUS 8+2. È òóê èäâà âúïðîñà - âÿðíî ëè å òîâà çà ôàçèòå è âúîáùå ASUS-à ñ 8 ôàçè ëè å èëè è òîâà áúðêàì?

    Íÿêîé àêî ñå ïèòà çàùî ñúì ñå ñïðÿë íà òåçè äúíà òîâà å, çàùîòî ìè òðÿáâà ñ âãðàäåíî âèäåî (ïî íàòàòúê ùå ñå ñëàãà âúíøíî).

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    Ôàçèòå íà M4A785TD-V EVO(êàêòî íà ïî÷òè âñÿêî àìä äúíî ñúñ 7-ìà ñåðèÿ ÷èïñåò)ñà 4+1,íå ñà 8+2.8+2 ñà ôèëòðèòå,ïî 2-âà çà âñÿêà ôàçà.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jivko87 View Post
    Ôàçèòå íà M4A785TD-V EVO(êàêòî íà ïî÷òè âñÿêî àìä äúíî ñúñ 7-ìà ñåðèÿ ÷èïñåò)ñà 4+1,íå ñà 8+2.8+2 ñà ôèëòðèòå,ïî 2-âà çà âñÿêà ôàçà.
    Êàê áè îáåñíèë òîâà : ASUS Power Solutions:
    - 8+2 Phase Power Design



    ×å è íà ìåíå íå ñà ìè ìíîãî ÿñíè òèÿ ôàçè êàêâî òî÷íî ïðåäñòàâëÿâàò ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorGotH View Post
    Êàê áè îáåñíèë òîâà : ASUS Power Solutions:
    - 8+2 Phase Power Design
    Ìàðêåòèíãîâà ëúæà íà Asus.Gigabyte èìàò ñúùàòà ðåêëàìà,êîÿòî çàáëóæäàâà ïîòðåáèòåëèòå çà ðåàëíèòå ôàçè.

    Quote Originally Posted by MorGotH View Post
    ×å è íà ìåíå íå ñà ìè ìíîãî ÿñíè òèÿ ôàçè êàêâî òî÷íî ïðåäñòàâëÿâàò ?
    Ïúðâî åäíî óòî÷íåíèå-ôàçà íå å íåùî íàìèðàùî ñå íà äúííàòà ïëàòêà. Òîâà å ïàðàìåòúð íà ïðîöåñà íà êîíòðîë íà íàïðåæåíèåòî â åëåêòðîíèêàòà/åëåêòîðîòåõíèêàòà(ïîíå àç òàêà ãî ðàçáèðàì îò èç÷åòåíåòî â ìðåæàòà,àêî ãðåøà äà ìå ïîïðàâÿò,íÿìà äà ñå ðàçñúðäÿ )Îòíîñíî ôàçèòå-òå ñà ñè 4+1,4-ðè çà ïðîöåñîðà + 1-íà çà ÷èïñåòà.8+2 ñà ferrite chokes(÷åðíè êâàäðàò÷åòà ïî äúííàòà ïëàòêà),ñëóæåùè çà ôèëòðè è ñòàáèëèçàòîðè íà íàïðåæåíèÿòà.Ïðè áþäæåòíèòå äúíà ôèëòðèòå íà ôàçèòå(ferrite chokes)îáèêíîâåííî ñà 5.Ìîåòî äúíî å ïðèìåð çà òîâà.
    Çà äà ðàçëè÷èø ôàçèòå ïî äúííàòà ïëàòêà áðîèø êîëêî òðàíçèñòîðà(ìàëêè ÷åðíè êâàäðàò÷åòà,íå òåçè êîéòî ñà êàòî öèëèíäðè)èìà îêîëî Ferrite Chokes-çà äúíàòà íà asus è gigabyte îò 7 ìà ñåðèÿ ÷èïñåò ñà 4,gigabyte èìàò ìîäåëè ñ ïî 3,êàêòî å ìîåòî äúíî îò ïîäïèñà.


    Ëåëå äàíî ñè ìå ðàçáðàë ÷å ìàé ãëóïàâî ãî îáÿñíèõ .


    Ï.Ï.Ëåêà íîù .
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    Àç êàòî ÷óÿ 'ôàçè' ñå ñåùàì çà åäíîôàçíîòî íè íàïðåæåíèå â êúùè ( ïðåäñòàâÿì ñè ñèíóñîèäà) è çà òðèôàçíîòî íàïðåæåíèå ïî ïðîìèøëåíèòå ïðåäïðèÿòèÿ è äàëåêîïðîâîäèòå.È ïîíåæå ôàçà ãî ñâúðçâàì ñ íåùî ñâúðçàíî ñ ïðîìåíëèâèÿ òîê ñå ÷óäÿ êàêâî çíà÷åíèå çàåìà â ïîñòîÿííî òîêîâè ñèñòåìè.Ìèñúëòà ìè å òîâà êàòî ïî ãîëÿìà ìîùíîñò êúì ñîêåòà ëè èäâà .. êàòî ïî ãîëÿìà ñòàáèëíîñò ïðè êëîê ëè .. êàòî âèä çàõðàíâàíå íà ïðîöåñîðà â ðàìêèòå íà 8/4 ôàçè ëè .. òîâà èñêàì äà ðàçáåðà ?
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    http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/616/4

    Ïúðâè ðåçóëòàò â ãóãúë.

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    Phase-SA Dictionary
    2.1.Èçâúðøâàì íà ôàçè
    2.2.Îñúùåñòâÿâàì ïîñòåïåííî
    Îñåì îòäåëíè ñõåìè çà çàõðàíâàíå íà ïðîöåñîðà èëè åäíà ÷àñò îò ñõåìàòà å ðàçäåëåíà íà 8 ÷àñòè(åäèíòè÷íè)ñâúðçàíè óñïîðåäíî,êàòî âñÿêà ÷àñò ïîåìà ðàâåí ïåðèîä îò ðàáîòíîòî âðåìå çà ñìåòêà ïî÷èâêàòà íà îñòàíàëèòå,âîäåùî äà ïî-íèñêè òåìïåðàòóðíè äèàïàçîíè íà ðàáîòà íà åëåìåíòèòå â çàõðàíâàùèÿ áëîê è îò òàì ïî-äîáðè ïàðàìåòðè íà çàõðàíâàùèÿ òîê è ïî-ìàëêè çàãóáè ïî ñõåìàòà.
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    Òîâà ñà Multiphase Synchronous Buck Converter/Regulator . Íàé-ëåñíî ñå áðîÿò èíäóêòèâíîñòèòå ( íàâèòè âúðõó òîðîèäàëíè ñúðöåâèíè èëè "shielded inductors" - "êóá÷åòàòà").
    Åòî è ìàëêî èíôîðìàöèÿ çà ëþáîçíàòåëíèòå:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter
    http://www.powermanagementdesignline...leID=203101907
    http://www.national.com/AU/design/0,4706,210_0_,00.html
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    Ìàëå íèùî íå ñõâàíàõ îò òîçè àíãëèéñêè,õî äî êîëêîòî ñúì çàïîçíàò äðîñåëèòå èçïîëçâàò èíäóêöèÿ çà ñòàáèëèçàöèÿ íàïðåæåíèÿòà è ôèëòðèðàò êàòî ðåæàò èìïóëñè.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freak-a-holic View Post
    Ìàëå íèùî íå ñõâàíàõ îò òîçè àíãëèéñêè,õî äî êîëêîòî ñúì çàïîçíàò äðîñåëèòå èçïîëçâàò èíäóêöèÿ çà ñòàáèëèçàöèÿ íàïðåæåíèÿòà è ôèëòðèðàò êàòî ðåæàò èìïóëñè.
    Îõîîîî, è çà êîëêî "äðóãè" ðàáîòè ïîëçâàò èíäóêöèÿòà..........ïðîñòî íå å èñòèíà.
    Ñåãà ñåðèîçíî - òóê ñå èçïîëçâà ôóíêöèÿòà " íàòðóïâàíå íà åíåðãèÿ â èíäóêòèâíîñò ".
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    Íå ÷å èìàì âïðåäâèä,÷å ÷ðåç ñàìîèíäóêòèâíèòå ìó ñâîéñòâà ôèëòðèðà ïóëñàöèè,âñúùíîñò íå çíàì êàê ãî ïðàâè òî÷íî òîâà íî ÿâíî çà òàêèâà öåëè ãè èçïîçâàò.

    http://sesai.tripod.com/drosel.htm

    nickarsow,áëàãîäàðÿ çà ëèòåðàòóðàòà,ùå òðÿáâà îáà÷å ïúðâî àíãëèéñêèÿ äà ïîíàó÷à.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freak-a-holic View Post
    Íå ÷å èìàì âïðåäâèä,÷å ÷ðåç ñàìîèíäóêòèâíèòå ìó ñâîéñòâà ôèëòðèðà ïóëñàöèè,âñúùíîñò íå çíàì êàê ãî ïðàâè òî÷íî òîâà íî ÿâíî çà òàêèâà öåëè ãè èçïîçâàò....
    Åååå, ðàçøèðè ìàëêî êðúãîçîðà, íåäåé äà ÷åòåø ñàìî "...îáùà åëåêòðîòåõíèêà".
    Ëèòåðàòóðàòà äàäåíà ïî-ãîðå ùå òè ïîìîãíå. Óñïåõ.
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    È â êðàéíà ñìåòêà ôàçèòå êàòî ïèøå ÷å ñà 8+2 òîëêîâà ëè ñà èëè ñà 4+1 :Ä
    (â ìîìåíòà ÷åòà ñòàòèÿòà)
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     êðàéíà ñìåòêà ñà 4+1(5).Ïðîáðîé 4-êèòå òðàíçèñòîðè è ùå âèäèø ÷å ñà 5 4-ðêè òðàíçèñòîðè,à íå 8+2(10).Äîðè è íà òâîåòî äúíî ñà 5,à íå 10 êàêòî ïèøå íà êóòèÿòà âåðîÿòíî(8+2 power phase).

    Ï.Ï.Åòî åäíà êàðòèíêà ñ ìàõíàòî îõëàæäàíå íà òðàíçèñòîðèòå,çà äà äîáèåø ïðåäñòàâà êàêâî èìàì âïðåäâèä.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jivko87 View Post
     êðàéíà ñìåòêà ñà 4+1(5).Ïðîáðîé 4-êèòå òðàíçèñòîðè è ùå âèäèø ÷å ñà 5 4-ðêè òðàíçèñòîðè,à íå 8+2(10).Äîðè è íà òâîåòî äúíî ñà 5,à íå 10 êàêòî ïèøå íà êóòèÿòà âåðîÿòíî(8+2 power phase)..
    Òóê ñèòóàöèÿòà å ìàëêî ïî-îñîáåíà. Èçïîëçâàò ñå 2 õ 4+2 â ïàðàëåë êúì åäèí óïðàâëÿâàù ÷èï.

    öèòàò:
    "Gigabyte uses a 4+1 phase power hardware, doubled up in what appears to be an 8+2 phase, however with only one driver IC per four MOSFETs and two (smaller) sealed chokes the real phase count is halved. This simply means the hardware per phase is beefed up to provide more power, and phase count doesn't matter since there is no Dynamic Energy Saver for power graduation included."
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    Àç òîâà ãðúìêî ðåêëàìèðàíî îò Asus è Gigabyte 8+2 power phase ãî ðàçáèðàì òàêà-4+1 ôàçè,êàòî 4-ðè ñà êúì ïðîöåñîðà è 1-íà êúì ÷èïñåòà,8+2 ñà äðîñåëèòå-8 êúì 4-ðèòå ôàçè çà ïðîöåñîðà è 2-âå çà ôàçàòà êúì ÷èïñåòà èëè ïî 2 äðîñåëà êúì ôàçà.
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    Êàêòî âå÷å ïèñàõ ïî-ãîðå, íàé-ëåñíèÿ îðèåíòèð ñà äðîñåëèòå - äðîñåë íà ôàçà.
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    Â êðàéíà ñìåòêà îò òîëêîâà ïèñàíå íå ðàçáðàõ ñàìî äàëè íà òîâà äúíî ùå å äîáðå äà ñëîæà 4-ÿäðåí ïðîöåñîð?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgeX92 View Post
    Â êðàéíà ñìåòêà îò òîëêîâà ïèñàíå íå ðàçáðàõ ñàìî äàëè íà òîâà äúíî ùå å äîáðå äà ñëîæà 4-ÿäðåí ïðîöåñîð?
    Aç ñúì ñ Asus M4A785TD-V EVO îò îêîëî 5 ìåñåöà è ìîãà äà êàæà ñàìî õóáàâè íåùà çà íåùî. Äåôàêòî è àç ãî ïîëçâàì ñ "îòêëþ÷åí" 4ÿäðåí ïðîöåñîð.
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