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13th January 2010 21:26 #1Registered User
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Ôàçè íà M4A785TD-V EVO
Çäðàâåéòå! Ñêîðî íå ñúì ñå ìÿðêàë èç ôîðóìà, íî ñåãà èìàì åäíà ïèòàíêà.

×åòîõ, ÷å çà 4-ÿäðåí ïðîöåñîð áèëî ïî-äîáðå äúíîòî äà èìà 8 ôàçè. Ïúðâî ñå áÿõ ñïðÿë íà GB MA785GT-UD3H îáà÷å âèäÿõ, ÷å èìà 4+1 ôàçè, à äúíîòî íà ASUS 8+2. È òóê èäâà âúïðîñà - âÿðíî ëè å òîâà çà ôàçèòå è âúîáùå ASUS-à ñ 8 ôàçè ëè å èëè è òîâà áúðêàì?
Íÿêîé àêî ñå ïèòà çàùî ñúì ñå ñïðÿë íà òåçè äúíà òîâà å, çàùîòî ìè òðÿáâà ñ âãðàäåíî âèäåî (ïî íàòàòúê ùå ñå ñëàãà âúíøíî).
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14th January 2010 00:20 #2.........................
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Ôàçèòå íà M4A785TD-V EVO(êàêòî íà ïî÷òè âñÿêî àìä äúíî ñúñ 7-ìà ñåðèÿ ÷èïñåò)ñà 4+1,íå ñà 8+2.8+2 ñà ôèëòðèòå,ïî 2-âà çà âñÿêà ôàçà.
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14th January 2010 00:40 #3
Êàê áè îáåñíèë òîâà : ASUS Power Solutions:
- 8+2 Phase Power Design
×å è íà ìåíå íå ñà ìè ìíîãî ÿñíè òèÿ ôàçè êàêâî òî÷íî ïðåäñòàâëÿâàò ?ASUS Z170-A|i7 6700k|CM Evo 212|Asus Strix 1070|2x8GB kit Vengance LPX DDR4@2400Mhz|850 EVO 120 Gb+2TB WD Red+3x1TB WD Black|Asus DRW-24B1ST|Corsair Graphite 780T White|Seasonic Plat SS-760XP2|Windows 10 x64 Pro|Logitech C920|G15+DeathAdder Chroma&Destructor Mat|Asus PG279Q|Maxnomic Dominator Black|
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14th January 2010 01:35 #4.........................
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Ìàðêåòèíãîâà ëúæà íà Asus.Gigabyte èìàò ñúùàòà ðåêëàìà,êîÿòî çàáëóæäàâà ïîòðåáèòåëèòå çà ðåàëíèòå ôàçè.
Ïúðâî åäíî óòî÷íåíèå-ôàçà íå å íåùî íàìèðàùî ñå íà äúííàòà ïëàòêà. Òîâà å ïàðàìåòúð íà ïðîöåñà íà êîíòðîë íà íàïðåæåíèåòî â åëåêòðîíèêàòà/åëåêòîðîòåõíèêàòà(ïîíå àç òàêà ãî ðàçáèðàì îò èç÷åòåíåòî â ìðåæàòà,àêî ãðåøà äà ìå ïîïðàâÿò,íÿìà äà ñå ðàçñúðäÿ
)Îòíîñíî ôàçèòå-òå ñà ñè 4+1,4-ðè çà ïðîöåñîðà + 1-íà çà ÷èïñåòà.8+2 ñà ferrite chokes(÷åðíè êâàäðàò÷åòà ïî äúííàòà ïëàòêà),ñëóæåùè çà ôèëòðè è ñòàáèëèçàòîðè íà íàïðåæåíèÿòà.Ïðè áþäæåòíèòå äúíà ôèëòðèòå íà ôàçèòå(ferrite chokes)îáèêíîâåííî ñà 5.Ìîåòî äúíî å ïðèìåð çà òîâà.
Çà äà ðàçëè÷èø ôàçèòå ïî äúííàòà ïëàòêà áðîèø êîëêî òðàíçèñòîðà(ìàëêè ÷åðíè êâàäðàò÷åòà,íå òåçè êîéòî ñà êàòî öèëèíäðè)èìà îêîëî Ferrite Chokes-çà äúíàòà íà asus è gigabyte îò 7 ìà ñåðèÿ ÷èïñåò ñà 4,gigabyte èìàò ìîäåëè ñ ïî 3,êàêòî å ìîåòî äúíî îò ïîäïèñà.
Ëåëå äàíî ñè ìå ðàçáðàë ÷å ìàé ãëóïàâî ãî îáÿñíèõ
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14th January 2010 02:07 #5
Àç êàòî ÷óÿ 'ôàçè' ñå ñåùàì çà åäíîôàçíîòî íè íàïðåæåíèå â êúùè ( ïðåäñòàâÿì ñè ñèíóñîèäà) è çà òðèôàçíîòî íàïðåæåíèå ïî ïðîìèøëåíèòå ïðåäïðèÿòèÿ è äàëåêîïðîâîäèòå.È ïîíåæå ôàçà ãî ñâúðçâàì ñ íåùî ñâúðçàíî ñ ïðîìåíëèâèÿ òîê ñå ÷óäÿ êàêâî çíà÷åíèå çàåìà â ïîñòîÿííî òîêîâè ñèñòåìè.Ìèñúëòà ìè å òîâà êàòî ïî ãîëÿìà ìîùíîñò êúì ñîêåòà ëè èäâà .. êàòî ïî ãîëÿìà ñòàáèëíîñò ïðè êëîê ëè .. êàòî âèä çàõðàíâàíå íà ïðîöåñîðà â ðàìêèòå íà 8/4 ôàçè ëè .. òîâà èñêàì äà ðàçáåðà ?
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14th January 2010 03:39 #6Êèñåëèÿ ÷îâåê™
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http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/616/4
Ïúðâè ðåçóëòàò â ãóãúë.
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14th January 2010 06:30 #7
Phase-SA Dictionary
2.1.Èçâúðøâàì íà ôàçè
2.2.Îñúùåñòâÿâàì ïîñòåïåííî
Îñåì îòäåëíè ñõåìè çà çàõðàíâàíå íà ïðîöåñîðà èëè åäíà ÷àñò îò ñõåìàòà å ðàçäåëåíà íà 8 ÷àñòè(åäèíòè÷íè)ñâúðçàíè óñïîðåäíî,êàòî âñÿêà ÷àñò ïîåìà ðàâåí ïåðèîä îò ðàáîòíîòî âðåìå çà ñìåòêà ïî÷èâêàòà íà îñòàíàëèòå,âîäåùî äà ïî-íèñêè òåìïåðàòóðíè äèàïàçîíè íà ðàáîòà íà åëåìåíòèòå â çàõðàíâàùèÿ áëîê è îò òàì ïî-äîáðè ïàðàìåòðè íà çàõðàíâàùèÿ òîê è ïî-ìàëêè çàãóáè ïî ñõåìàòà.i9 9900k B-Die 970 Evo 3060 Ti PRIME Ultra Gold NZXT water Z906 4k120 curved
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14th January 2010 08:31 #8
Òîâà ñà Multiphase Synchronous Buck Converter/Regulator . Íàé-ëåñíî ñå áðîÿò èíäóêòèâíîñòèòå ( íàâèòè âúðõó òîðîèäàëíè ñúðöåâèíè èëè "shielded inductors" - "êóá÷åòàòà").
Åòî è ìàëêî èíôîðìàöèÿ çà ëþáîçíàòåëíèòå:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter
http://www.powermanagementdesignline...leID=203101907
http://www.national.com/AU/design/0,4706,210_0_,00.htmlÍÅÌÀ ÒÀÊÀÂÀ ÄÚÐÆÀÂÀ
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14th January 2010 08:46 #9
Ìàëå íèùî íå ñõâàíàõ îò òîçè àíãëèéñêè,õî äî êîëêîòî ñúì çàïîçíàò äðîñåëèòå èçïîëçâàò èíäóêöèÿ çà ñòàáèëèçàöèÿ íàïðåæåíèÿòà è ôèëòðèðàò êàòî ðåæàò èìïóëñè.
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14th January 2010 08:59 #10ÍÅÌÀ ÒÀÊÀÂÀ ÄÚÐÆÀÂÀ
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14th January 2010 09:26 #11
Íå ÷å èìàì âïðåäâèä,÷å ÷ðåç ñàìîèíäóêòèâíèòå ìó ñâîéñòâà ôèëòðèðà ïóëñàöèè,âñúùíîñò íå çíàì êàê ãî ïðàâè òî÷íî òîâà íî ÿâíî çà òàêèâà öåëè ãè èçïîçâàò.
http://sesai.tripod.com/drosel.htm
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14th January 2010 09:37 #12ÍÅÌÀ ÒÀÊÀÂÀ ÄÚÐÆÀÂÀ
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14th January 2010 11:00 #13
È â êðàéíà ñìåòêà ôàçèòå êàòî ïèøå ÷å ñà 8+2 òîëêîâà ëè ñà èëè ñà 4+1 :Ä
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 êðàéíà ñìåòêà ñà 4+1(5).Ïðîáðîé 4-êèòå òðàíçèñòîðè è ùå âèäèø ÷å ñà 5 4-ðêè òðàíçèñòîðè,à íå 8+2(10).Äîðè è íà òâîåòî äúíî ñà 5,à íå 10 êàêòî ïèøå íà êóòèÿòà âåðîÿòíî(8+2 power phase).
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14th January 2010 12:03 #15
Òóê ñèòóàöèÿòà å ìàëêî ïî-îñîáåíà. Èçïîëçâàò ñå 2 õ 4+2 â ïàðàëåë êúì åäèí óïðàâëÿâàù ÷èï.
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"Gigabyte uses a 4+1 phase power hardware, doubled up in what appears to be an 8+2 phase, however with only one driver IC per four MOSFETs and two (smaller) sealed chokes the real phase count is halved. This simply means the hardware per phase is beefed up to provide more power, and phase count doesn't matter since there is no Dynamic Energy Saver for power graduation included."ÍÅÌÀ ÒÀÊÀÂÀ ÄÚÐÆÀÂÀ
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Àç òîâà ãðúìêî ðåêëàìèðàíî îò Asus è Gigabyte 8+2 power phase ãî ðàçáèðàì òàêà-4+1 ôàçè,êàòî 4-ðè ñà êúì ïðîöåñîðà è 1-íà êúì ÷èïñåòà,8+2 ñà äðîñåëèòå-8 êúì 4-ðèòå ôàçè çà ïðîöåñîðà è 2-âå çà ôàçàòà êúì ÷èïñåòà èëè ïî 2 äðîñåëà êúì ôàçà.
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14th January 2010 12:52 #17
Êàêòî âå÷å ïèñàõ ïî-ãîðå, íàé-ëåñíèÿ îðèåíòèð ñà äðîñåëèòå - äðîñåë íà ôàçà.
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14th January 2010 14:23 #18Registered User
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 êðàéíà ñìåòêà îò òîëêîâà ïèñàíå íå ðàçáðàõ ñàìî äàëè íà òîâà äúíî ùå å äîáðå äà ñëîæà 4-ÿäðåí ïðîöåñîð?
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