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    Èçáîð íà ðÀöåðñêà êîëà ñ òâúðäà âîçèÿ

    êðàéíî âðåìå áåøå äà ñå îáîñîáè òàêàâà òåìà, êúäåòî äà ñòàâà âúïðîñ çà ãóìè, õàñôàëò, äîíúòè, âúðòåëè, âëèçàíå â çàâîèòå íà äæàíãúð, 0-100 è ïðèëè÷åí ðàçõîä îò 7/100 ãðàäñêî. Íå ñòàâà âúïðîñ çà êàðàíå ñ ïðåâèøåíà ñêîðîñò, à êàê ñå ñòèãà äî çàêîíîïîçâîëåíàòà.

    Äîãîäèíà ùå ñè ñìåíÿ êîëàòà ñ íåùî ïî-áåçìèñëåíî è íåôóíêöèîíàëíî, çàùîòî ñúì íà 24 è ñåãà ìó å âðåìåòî, ïîíåæå êàòî ñòàíà íà 30 ùå ñå ïðåìåñòÿ â òåìàòà çà ñåìåéíàòà êîëà/êîìáè/âàí/êàòàôàëêà.

    Êàêâî å âàæíî çà åäíà ðÀöåðñêà êîëà:

    1.Ñàìîòî è èìå äà íàâÿâà àñîöèàöèÿ ñ ðåçà÷êà.
    2.Äà õâàùà îêîòî è äà ñâàëÿ áèêèíè ïî-áúðçî îòêîëêîòî ïðàâè 0-100.
    3.Âñè÷êî îñòàíàëî êàòî êîíñêè ñèëè íà òîí, äàëè âúðâè è ïðî÷èå.

    Åòî è ìîèòå ðàöåðñêè êîëè, êîèòî àêî íÿìàõ åòàæ çà îáçàâåæäàíå, ùÿõ äà ôèêñèðàì â ñëåäâàùèòå 2 ãîäèíè:

    Leon FR/Cupra, Golf V 1.4TFSI/GTI, Celica TS, Focus RS, Íåêâî BMW 3-êà, ìàêàð ÷å ñëåä 2006 ìîäåëà âñè÷êè íàäîëó èçãëåæäàò ñêîïåíè â ìóöóíàòà, Audi TT (ñòàðîòî, of course). Íàðî÷íî íå âêëþ÷âàì 106-öàòà íà Íåðâàêà, íå îòãîâàðÿ íà òî÷êà 2 îò ñïèñúêà (äîêàçàíî å, ÷å å ôèçè÷åñêè íåâúçìîæíî çà æåíà äà ñâàëè áèêèíèòå ñè çà ïî-ìàëêî îò 7.2ñåê â êîëà)

    Àáå âúîáùå äàéòå äà íàïðàâèì åäíà òåìà çà ïî-èñòèíñêèòå êîëè è âñåêè äà ñïîäåëè êàêâî å êàðàë, êàêâî áè èñêàë äà êàðà è çàùî ñè çàñëóæàâà (è äàëè ùå ìó ñëîæèòå ãàçîâà).

    Ïðåäëàãàì äà ñè ïîãîâîðèì êîé êàêâî å êàðàë, êàêâî ìó õàðåñâà. Áþäæåòà å ìíîãî îðèåíòèðîâú÷åí, 10-20ê, íàïðèìåð. Âñåêè ìîæå äà êàæå çà òåçè ïàðè êàêâî áè ñè êóïèë, íàé-äîáðå áàçèðàíî íà ëè÷åí îïèò.

    Äèçåëè ñå ïðèåìàò, íî îáèêíîâåíî ñàìî V6 ìîãàò äà äîêàðàò íàä 180 êîíÿ, êúäåòî å äîëíàòà ãðàíèöà.
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    Äà óòî÷íèì - çà êîëêî òâúðäà âîçèÿ ãîâîðèì?
    Ðåïóòàöèÿòà å îíîâà, êîåòî õîðàòà çíàÿò çà òåá. ×åñòòà å îíîâà, êîåòî ñàì çíàåø çà ñåáå ñè.

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    Êàêúâ å áþäæåòà?
    Oò òåçè, êîèòî ñè èçáðîèë, àç ñúì çà Celica-òà.
    Èíà÷å, ìîãà äà òè ïðåïîðú÷àì êàòî MOßÒÀ, íî ñ ïî-ñåðèîçåí äâèãàòåë - 2.0 V6 turbo èëè ïî-äîáðå àòìîñôåðêà 3.0/3.2, êàòî âòîðèòå ñà ñêúïè÷êè.
    Âèçèÿòà ñè é å êëàñèêà, ïèòàé Äæåðúìè Êëàðêñúí, aêî íå âÅðâàø.
    Ùî ñå îòíàñÿ çà âîçèÿòà, ùå îñòàíåø "ìíîãî äîâîëåí" - âîçè áåçîáðàçíî òâúðäî.
    Aêî èñêàø òåñòäðàéâ, êàçâàé.
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    Oò òåçè, êîèòî ñè èçáðîèë, àç ñúì çà Celica-òà.
    Òè ñåðèîçíî ëè ïðåïîðú÷âàø FWD êîëà â òàêàâà òåìà? RS5-öàòà ïîíå å AWD...
    Â òîÿ ðåä íà ìèñëè - Å46 Ì3 å ïîäõîäÿù êàíäèäàò.
    Ðåïóòàöèÿòà å îíîâà, êîåòî õîðàòà çíàÿò çà òåá. ×åñòòà å îíîâà, êîåòî ñàì çíàåø çà ñåáå ñè.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Feanor- View Post
    Òè ñåðèîçíî ëè ïðåïîðú÷âàø FWD êîëà â òàêàâà òåìà? RS5-öàòà ïîíå å AWD...
    Â òîÿ ðåä íà ìèñëè - Å46 Ì3 å ïîäõîäÿù êàíäèäàò.
    Îò èçáðîåíèòå, âñè÷êè ñà FWD, áåç ñïîìåíàòàòà 3-êà, êîÿòî íÿêàêñè å ñïîìåíàòà ìåæäó äðóãîòî, òàêà ÷å...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post
    Îò èçáðîåíèòå, âñè÷êè ñà FWD, áåç ñïîìåíàòàòà 3-êà, êîÿòî íÿêàêñè å ñïîìåíàòà ìåæäó äðóãîòî, òàêà ÷å...
    ...òàêà ÷å î÷åâèäíî å åäèíñòâåíèÿò âåðåí îòãîâîð.
    Ðåïóòàöèÿòà å îíîâà, êîåòî õîðàòà çíàÿò çà òåá. ×åñòòà å îíîâà, êîåòî ñàì çíàåø çà ñåáå ñè.

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    Àéäå, âêàðâàì ñìóò - ïî-äîáðå 'óáàâ äèçåë, îò êîëêîòî 3.0/3.2 àòìîñôåðêà

    Èíà÷å - êàòî ñè ãîâîðèì çà âñè÷êè òî÷êè - Audi RS5, óíèêàëíà êîëà.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post
    Ïîäîçèðàì, ÷å å èçâúí áþäæåòà, îñâåí àêî Vanu íå ðàç÷èòà íà òèðàæà âäðóãèäåí...
    Çà íåãî íå çíàì, àìà àç ðàç÷èòàì íà íåãî
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow View Post
    Èíà÷å - êàòî ñè ãîâîðèì çà âñè÷êè òî÷êè - Audi RS5, óíèêàëíà êîëà.
    Ïîäîçèðàì, ÷å å èçâúí áþäæåòà, îñâåí àêî Vanu íå ðàç÷èòà íà òèðàæà âäðóãèäåí...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow View Post
    Àéäå, âêàðâàì ñìóò - ïî-äîáðå 'óáàâ äèçåë, îò êîëêîòî 3.0/3.2 àòìîñôåðêà
    ×åñòíî êàçàíî, íå âêàðâàø êîé çíàå êàêúâ ñìóò. Àç îòêàêòî óñåòèõ êàêâà äàëàâåðà å ãîëÿì âúðòÿù ìîìåíò è íèñêè îáîðîòè, ïðîñòî íå ðàçáèðàì çàùî èìà õîðà îùå äà êàðàò íà áåíçèí. Íå ÷å àç ðàçáèðàì îò êîëè, ñúâñåì êàòî ïðîñò ïîòðåáèòåë ãî êàçâàì, íî óñåùàíåòî å ñòðàõîòíî.

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    ×åñòíî êàçàíî, íå âêàðâàø êîé çíàå êàêúâ ñìóò. Àç îòêàêòî óñåòèõ êàêâà äàëàâåðà å ãîëÿì âúðòÿù ìîìåíò è íèñêè îáîðîòè, ïðîñòî íå ðàçáèðàì çàùî èìà õîðà îùå äà êàðàò íà áåíçèí. Íå ÷å àç ðàçáèðàì îò êîëè, ñúâñåì êàòî ïðîñò ïîòðåáèòåë ãî êàçâàì, íî óñåùàíåòî å ñòðàõîòíî.
    È êàêâî, åäèí ãîëÿì àòìîñôåðåí áåíçèí 3.0+, ñèãóðíî íÿìà ãîëÿì âúðòÿù ìîìåíò?

    Ï.Ï.
    Àáå ÿ ñêà÷àé íà åäíî òàêîâà è òîâà å:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post
    È êàêâî, åäèí ãîëÿì àòìîñôåðåí áåíçèí 3.0+, ñèãóðíî íÿìà ãîëÿì âúðòÿù ìîìåíò?
    Àìè - 3.0 TFSI å 420íì ïðè 2500-4850, à 3.0TDI e 500 ïðè 1500/3000. Ïðè áåíçèíà å ìàëêî ïîâå÷å, àìà íå ìíîãî ïîâå÷å. Ïðè òîâà, ãîâîðèì çà òóðáèíèðàí, ïðîñòî íå ìè ñå òúðñè çà 3.2 àòìîñôåðåí. Àìà 4.2 FSI å 440 (ïðè 750 çà 4.2TDI), âåðîÿòíî 3.2 àòìîñôåðåí ùå äîéäå êúì 380íì. :edit: Ñåãà âèäÿõ - èäâà òî÷íî 320íì.

    Ò.å., äà òè îòãîâîðÿ - èìà, àìà èìà è ñ ïîâå÷å, àìà ñ äðóãî ãîðèâî :Ð

    Ìåæäó äðóãîòî, àç âëåòÿõ ìàëêî ãðåøíî. Ïðè êóïå/ëåê àâòîìîáèë - àòìîñôåðêà > äèçåë. Ïðè òåæêèòå "ñïîðòèñòè" å îáðàòíî.
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    Ìåæäó äðóãîòî, àç âëåòÿõ ìàëêî ãðåøíî. Ïðè êóïå/ëåê àâòîìîáèë - àòìîñôåðêà > äèçåë. Ïðè òåæêèòå "ñïîðòèñòè" å îáðàòíî.

    Çà ñóìî ëè ãîâîðèø?
    Ðåïóòàöèÿòà å îíîâà, êîåòî õîðàòà çíàÿò çà òåá. ×åñòòà å îíîâà, êîåòî ñàì çíàåø çà ñåáå ñè.

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    Ìåæäó äðóãîòî, àç âëåòÿõ ìàëêî ãðåøíî. Ïðè êóïå/ëåê àâòîìîáèë - àòìîñôåðêà > äèçåë. Ïðè òåæêèòå "ñïîðòèñòè" å îáðàòíî.
    Lambo Ìurcielago e ~1700kg. Bugatti Veyron e 1800+kg. Íå çíàì äà èì ñëàãàò äèçåëîâè äâèãàòåëè...
    Bentley Continental GT e íàä äâà òîíà - è çà íåãî íå çíàì äà èìà äèçåëîâ äâèãàòåë.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow View Post
    Àìè - 3.0 TFSI å 420íì ïðè 2500-4850, à 3.0TDI e 500 ïðè 1500/3000. Ïðè áåíçèíà å ìàëêî ïîâå÷å, àìà íå ìíîãî ïîâå÷å. Ïðè òîâà, ãîâîðèì çà òóðáèíèðàí, ïðîñòî íå ìè ñå òúðñè çà 3.2 àòìîñôåðåí. Àìà 4.2 FSI å 440 (ïðè 750 çà 4.2TDI), âåðîÿòíî 3.2 àòìîñôåðåí ùå äîéäå êúì 380íì. :edit: Ñåãà âèäÿõ - èäâà òî÷íî 320íì.

    Ò.å., äà òè îòãîâîðÿ - èìà, àìà èìà è ñ ïîâå÷å, àìà ñ äðóãî ãîðèâî :Ð

    Ìåæäó äðóãîòî, àç âëåòÿõ ìàëêî ãðåøíî. Ïðè êóïå/ëåê àâòîìîáèë - àòìîñôåðêà > äèçåë. Ïðè òåæêèòå "ñïîðòèñòè" å îáðàòíî.
    À ïà íà èñòèíñêèòå ïñîðòíè êîëè âúðòÿùèÿ ìîìåíò å ïî íèñúê îò êîíåòå. Ùî íå èì îáàäèø äà ñè ñëîæàò ïî äèçåë÷å.
    À äà ìåæäó äðóãîòî âèæ êîëêî å ðàçëèêàòà â óñêîðåíèÿòà ìåæäó 3.0 òôñè è 3.0 ä.

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    ×åñòíî êàçàíî, íå âêàðâàø êîé çíàå êàêúâ ñìóò. Àç îòêàêòî óñåòèõ êàêâà äàëàâåðà å ãîëÿì âúðòÿù ìîìåíò è íèñêè îáîðîòè, ïðîñòî íå ðàçáèðàì çàùî èìà õîðà îùå äà êàðàò íà áåíçèí. Íå ÷å àç ðàçáèðàì îò êîëè, ñúâñåì êàòî ïðîñò ïîòðåáèòåë ãî êàçâàì, íî óñåùàíåòî å ñòðàõîòíî.
    Ùîòî íå å òîëêîâà ñòðàõîòíî, êîëêîòî 3.0 áåíçèí ñ êîìïðåñîð. Êîéòî ñúùî èìà ñåðèîçåí âúðòÿù ìîìåíò, íî îñâåí òîâà ñå ðàçâúðòà äî 7000 îá/ìèí è ïðàâè 340-350 ê.ñ. À òîâà å ñàìî (íåñëó÷àéíî ïîäáðàí) mid-range áåíçèíîâ ìîòîð âñúùíîñò.
    Ðåïóòàöèÿòà å îíîâà, êîåòî õîðàòà çíàÿò çà òåá. ×åñòòà å îíîâà, êîåòî ñàì çíàåø çà ñåáå ñè.

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    Íàèñòèíà, àêî "òàðãåòà" å 16-20 ãîäèíè, çà ïðåäïî÷èòàíå îáèòàòåëêà íà Ñòóäåíòñêè ãðàä, èäâàùà îò äúëáîêàòà ïðîâèíöèÿ...
    Taì è ñ Ferrari äà ñå ïîÿâèø, íÿìà äà òè îáúðíàò âíèìàíèå. Âèæ, Å36 å äðóãà ðàáîòà.
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    Aêî èñêàø ðåçà÷êà îò âñè÷êèòå íàé-äîáðå å Ôîêóñà- 220 êîíÿ, All wheel Drive. Ñëåä íåãî å Seat Cupra, äîñòà äîáðå âúðâè íî å ñ ïðåäíî ïðåäàâàíå.. Âúðõó ñúùèÿò ãîëô èìàì äîñòà âïå÷àòëåíèÿ è òå ñà ÷å äîñòà äîáðå âúðâè çà ìîùíîñòòà ñè, îáùî âçåòî îò 2000 îáîðîòà íàãîðå èìàø ìíîãî äîáðî è ðàâíîìåðíî óñêîðåíèå, âñå ïàê å 240íì- íî ïàê å ñ ïðåäíî..
    Àêî ñè ãîâîðèì çà îêà÷âàíå è èñêàø ìàêñèìàëíà ñòàáèëíîñò- îðèåíòèðàé ñå çà ðåãóëèðóåìè àìîðòèñüîðè ñúñ ïðóæèíè- ìàðêè êîëêîòî ùåø, Êîni èìàò ïî-åâòèíè ìîäåëè, Tein, K-sport è òí- íî ñå ïðèãîòâè äà òè ïàäíå ÷åíåòî Íî â çàâîèòå ùå ñè öàð

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    Øøøòòòò....íå èì ðàçâàëÿé òåìàòà, ÷å òóê èì å îñòàíàëî äà ñå âèõðÿò
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    Âñåêè ìîìåíò ùå äîéäå ãîðñêèÿ è ùå âè èçãîíè

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    Ëîòóñ Åêñèäæ. Ìîæå è íà åòàíîë
    Áåç âàñ!

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    Òîâà íåùî íÿìà àíàëîã, å òè ðàöåðñêà êîëà...

    The first version of the RX-8, chassis code SE3P, was produced from model year 2003. It is powered by the RENESIS 13B-MSP (multi side port) Wankel rotary engine displacing 1.3 litres (2x654 cc). At launch, the RENESIS was available in standard and high power versions. The 4-port standard RENESIS produced 210 hp (160 kW) and was coupled with either a 5-speed manual or 4-speed automatic transmission. The 6-port high power RENESIS was only available with a six-speed manual transmission and was rated at 250 hp (190 kW). For the North American market, Mazda revised the reported output rating of the standard and high power RENESIS soon after lauch to 197 hp (147 kW) and 238 hp (177 kW), respectively.[1] With exhaust ports now located in the side housing, the RENESIS boasted improved fuel efficiency and emissions rating over the 13B-REW employed by the last RX-7, thereby making it possible to be sold in North America.

    At launch, the RX-8 was available in various models in different markets around the world. Standard models include:

    * 6-speed manual "High Power" with a claimed output of between 170 kW (231 PS; 228 hp) and 184 kW (250 PS; 247 hp) and a 9,000 rpm redline. This model was equivalent to the "Type S" trim in Japan.
    * 5-speed manual "Standard Power" tuned to 141 kW (192 PS; 189 hp) with the redline reduced to 7,500 rpm. This powertrain combination was not available in North America.
    * 4-speed automatic tuned to 141 kW (192 PS; 189 hp) in some markets, while the U.S. automatic is stated to deliver 158 kW (215 PS; 212 hp) .
    * 6-speed automatic (available in the U.S. market after 2006) developing 158 kW (215 PS; 212 hp) and 159 lb·ft (216 N·m) of torque with a redline at 7,500 rpm.[2] This was the revised standard RENESIS, now with two extra intake ports like the high power version.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post
    Òîâà íåùî íÿìà àíàëîã, å òè ðàöåðñêà êîëà...
    Ãîòèíà å, îáà÷å âñúùíîñò ñà è ìàëêî êîí÷åòàòà. Âÿðíî, ÷å êàòî çà ðàáîòíèÿ ñè îáåì âàäè ìíîãî, àìà... ñàìî 230 â êðàéíà ñìåòêà...
    Ðåïóòàöèÿòà å îíîâà, êîåòî õîðàòà çíàÿò çà òåá. ×åñòòà å îíîâà, êîåòî ñàì çíàåø çà ñåáå ñè.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Feanor- View Post
    Ãîòèíà å, îáà÷å âñúùíîñò ñà è ìàëêî êîí÷åòàòà. Âÿðíî, ÷å êàòî çà ðàáîòíèÿ ñè îáåì âàäè ìíîãî, àìà... ñàìî 230 â êðàéíà ñìåòêà...
    Çàâèñè 230 êîíÿ â 1000 êã å ðàçëè÷íî îò ñúùèòå êîíå â 1800 êã.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shpek1 View Post
    Çàâèñè 230 êîíÿ â 1000 êã å ðàçëè÷íî îò ñúùèòå êîíå â 1800 êã.
    Äà, àìà RX-8-öàòà å íàä 1300. 170 êñ / òîí å ïðèëè÷íî, íî íå è "áåç àíàëîã". Áåç àíàëîã ìó å ñàìî äâèãàòåëÿ, çà ñúæàëåíèå - è â äîáðèÿ, è â ëîøèÿ ñìèñúë.
    Ðåïóòàöèÿòà å îíîâà, êîåòî õîðàòà çíàÿò çà òåá. ×åñòòà å îíîâà, êîåòî ñàì çíàåø çà ñåáå ñè.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post
    Òîâà íåùî íÿìà àíàëîã, å òè ðàöåðñêà êîëà...
    òîÿ RX-8 å êàòî áåäíà ðîäíèíà äî ëîòóñà
    Áåç âàñ!

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