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    È òîçè ðåçóëòàò çà êàêâî ïî - òî÷íî ìó å?  ñìèñúë, êàêâî òî÷íî ùå ïîëó÷è îò 100 ëåâà ïî åâòèíà ïàìåò íà 3200ìõç?

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    Quote Originally Posted by degman View Post
    È òîçè ðåçóëòàò çà êàêâî ïî - òî÷íî ìó å?  ñìèñúë, êàêâî òî÷íî ùå ïîëó÷è îò 100 ëåâà ïî åâòèíà ïàìåò íà 3200ìõç?

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    Àç ïîëó÷àâàì ïî-ìàëêî, à ðàçëèëàòà â öåíàòà íå å ãîëÿìà. Ìîÿòà å 3200. Íå ñè ìå ðàçáðàë.

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    Å, â ðåàëíè óñëîâèÿ íÿìà äà å ãîëÿìà ðàçëèêàòà òàêà äà ñå êàæå. Àêî áåí÷èø êàòî íåãî èëè ñëåäèø ôðåéìðåéòà, ñðàâíÿâàø ðåçóëòàòèòå ñè, òîåñò òúðñèø ðàçëèêàòà, ùå ÿ íàìåðèø. Àç ëè÷íî èçáðàõ ïî ëîøè ÷èïîâå, íå ìè ñå äàâàõà 100 ëåâà îòãîðå çà ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò êîÿòî íÿìà äà ìîãà äà óñåòÿ íèòî âèäÿ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by degman View Post
    Å, â ðåàëíè óñëîâèÿ íÿìà äà å ãîëÿìà ðàçëèêàòà òàêà äà ñå êàæå. Àêî áåí÷èø êàòî íåãî èëè ñëåäèø ôðåéìðåéòà, ñðàâíÿâàø ðåçóëòàòèòå ñè, òîåñò òúðñèø ðàçëèêàòà, ùå ÿ íàìåðèø. Àç ëè÷íî èçáðàõ ïî ëîøè ÷èïîâå, íå ìè ñå äàâàõà 100 ëåâà îòãîðå çà ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò êîÿòî íÿìà äà ìîãà äà óñåòÿ íèòî âèäÿ.

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    Àç ñúì äîâîëåí îò ìîÿòà, çàùîòî ñå êëîêíà äî 3866 íà 18-20-20-38 àìà êàòî ãëåäàì òàçè âúðâè íà äîñòà ïî-äîáðè òàéìèíãè. Ñåãà ùå ìå ìîòèâèðà äà ÿ ñòàáèëèçèðàì íà 4000
    Àç äîêîëêîòî ÷åòîõ èç ðàçíè ôîðóìè çà FPS-à å âàæíà ñêîðîñòòà.
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    Ñúâåòâàì òå äà òåñòâàø ïî ìîÿò íà÷èí. Òåãëèø MemTestHelper2.zip è MemTest.zip.

    Exe-òî íà MemTest ãî êîïèðàø â äèðåêòîðèÿòà íà MemTestHelper2 è ñòàðòèðàø MemTestHelper2 exe-òî.



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    Àç íàìåðèõ íÿêàêúâè random íàñòðîéêè çà Prime95 è òåñòâàõ ñ òÿõ 8 ÷àñà. Ïðèíöèïíî õâàíàõà íåñòàáèëíîñò, êîãàòî èìàøå, îùå äî 10òà ìèíóòà.

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    Çäðàâåéòå,
    èìàì ðàì ïàìåòòà îò ïîäïèñà - 8GB DDR4 2133 Kingston HyperX Fury, ÷èèòî íîìåð å HX421C14FB/8. Èñêàì äà ñè ñëîæà îùå åäíà "ïëî÷êà", çà äà ñòàíàò 16 GB. Ïîíåæå âå÷å íèêúäå íå ïðîäàâàò òàêèâà, íàìåðèõ îáÿâà â olx è ñè ïîðú÷âàõ, íî ñåãà çàáåëÿçàõ, ÷å òÿ å ñ íîìåð HX421C14F2B/8. Äúíîòî ìè å ASUS H110M-PLUS. ×åòîõ, ÷å òîâà áèëî single and dual ranked memory è èìàëî îòíîøåíèå çà ñúðâúðè, íî äîòóê ñ ìîèòå ðàçáèðàíèÿ... .
    Âúïðîñúò ìè å, ùå ðàáîòÿò ëè äâåòå "ïëî÷êè" çàåäíî â dual channel è òðÿáâà ëè äà ñå ïðàâÿò íÿêàêâè "ãèìíàñòèêè", çà äà òðúãíàò íîðìàëíî?
    ASUS H110M-PLUS | i5-6400 | ADATA ULTIMATE SU800 128GB | WD Cavair Blue 1TB | 2x8GB DDR4 2133 Kingston HyperX Fury | MSI RX 570 GAMING X 4G | CORSAIR CX450M | LG GH24NSD1 | Zalman Z1 Neo | BenQ GW2470H

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    Âñè÷êî çà íîâèòå DDR4 ïàìåòè - êëîê, öåíè, ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò è ò.í.

    Íàä 1.4 â. òðÿáâà àêòèâíî îáäóõâàíå. Òîâà ñúì ÷åë. Àç ñè äúðæà ïàìåòòà íà 1.4â. áåç îáäóõâàíå.
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    Êàòî ïðåãðåå ùå çàïî÷íå äà äàâà ãðåøêè â ìåìòåñò-à. Ìîÿòà 2õ16ãá ñúì ÿ îñòàâèë íà 3400 16-18-18-36 íà 1.32, âåðîÿòíî ìîæå è ìàëêî ïî-íèñêî, íî íå ìè ñå çàíèìàâà âå÷å. SOC 0.988. Õëàäíî è èêîíîìè÷íî. Èíà÷å òeçè ìèêðîíêè íîñÿò íà ÿê êëîê è âîëòàæ, íî ùå òðÿáâà àêòèâíî îõëàæäàíå... Îñòàâÿì ãè òåçè ïðîöåäóðè çà ïî-íàòàòúê, êàòî ïîåâòèíåÿò 3900õ.

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    Çà ìîÿòà íå ñå ïðèòåñíÿâàì äà ïðåãðåå, çàùîòî å íà âîäà. Âèæäà ñå íà ñíèìêàòà, ÷å ñëåä 3 ÷àñà òåñò, ïàê å íà 36ãðàäóñà.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kompira85 View Post
    Çà ìîÿòà íå ñå ïðèòåñíÿâàì äà ïðåãðåå, çàùîòî å íà âîäà. Âèæäà ñå íà ñíèìêàòà, ÷å ñëåä 3 ÷àñà òåñò, ïàê å íà 36ãðàäóñà.
    Àç íå ðàçáðàõ êîå å íà 36 ãðàäóñà - ïàìåòòà ? È àêî äà, êîÿ ãðàôà ãëåäàø, ÷å àç íå çíàì íåùî äà îò÷èòà òåìïåðàòóðàòà è. Èëè àêî âèçèðàø íåùî äðóãî, êàæè êîå.
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    HWINHFO64 - íàé-îòäîëó â äÿñíî ïèøå DIMM Temp. Âñúùíîñò ñåãà êàòî ñå çàìèñëèõ òîâà ìîæå è äà å òåìïåðàòóðàòà íà DIMM ñëîòà.

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    Íåùî óäàðèõ ãðåäà. Çà 3600 ïóñêàõ 1.4 è äàæå â Óèíäîóñ íå óñïÿ äà âëåçå. Ìàé ùå ñè êàðàì íà 3400 ñ òîçè ïðîöåñîð.

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    Quote Originally Posted by degman View Post
    Íåùî óäàðèõ ãðåäà. Çà 3600 ïóñêàõ 1.4 è äàæå â Óèíäîóñ íå óñïÿ äà âëåçå. Ìàé ùå ñè êàðàì íà 3400 ñ òîçè ïðîöåñîð.

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    Êîíòðîëåðúò íà ïúðâîòî ïîêîëåíèå Ðàéçåí ìèñëÿ ãî äàâàõà äà ïîääúðæà äî 3200ÌÕö íà ïàìåòòà, è òî êàòî êëîê, èíà÷å îôèöèàëíî áåøå äî 2666. Òîâà, ÷å ñè ãî ïîäêàðàë ñòàáèëíî íà 3400 ìîæå ñàìî äà òå ðàäâà, íå íàñèëâàé êúñìåòà ñè ïî-íàãîðå, äà íå îïóêàø íåùî

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    Å íå ñúì ôåí íà åêñòðåìíèÿ îâúðêëîê, 3400 ïàê ñà ñè 200ìõç îòãîðå è ëåêî ñòåãíàòè òàéìèíãè. È ùå ãî èìàì â ïðåäâèä

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    ADATA XPG Spectrix D41 grey RGB DIMM kit 32GB ~ 236.35 ëåâà - äîáðà öåíà çà îáåìà + RGB
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimcho View Post
    ADATA XPG Spectrix D41 grey RGB DIMM kit 32GB ~ 236.35 ëåâà - äîáðà öåíà çà îáåìà + RGB
    ADATA XPG Gammix D41 DDR4 UDIMM 16GB 3200 288Pin Grey òîâà ìè èçëèçà
    Íàøèòå óñèëèÿ ìîãàò äà ïîâèøàò êà÷åñòâîòî íà ñðåäàòà

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrado View Post
    ADATA XPG Gammix D41 DDR4 UDIMM 16GB 3200 288Pin Grey òîâà ìè èçëèçà
    Êèòà å 2õ16GB 3200 ADATA XPG Gammix D41 DDR4 UDIMM...âèæ ïî-íàäîëó â îïèñàíèåòî íà ïðîäóêòà.

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    Âúâ Âàðèî å ïúëíî ñ 32GB êèòîâå ïîä 300 ëåâà. Íÿìàò êîëåäíè ëàìïè÷êè, íî íå âñåêè å íà 12.

    G.Skill RipJaws V DIMM Kit 32GB F4-3600C19D-32GVRB 3600MHz 19-20-20-40 - 297 ëåâà
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    Çà òîâà íå ðàç÷èòàé êàê èçãëåæäà. ×åòèðè êàðòè ñà ìè óìèðàëè, åäíà âòîðà ðúêà êîÿòî íå å êîïàëà, äâå êîïà÷êè è åäíà êîÿòî áåøå ÷èñòî íîâà ãàðàíöèîííà çàìÿíà íà åäíàòà êîïà÷êà. Òîåñò âñè÷êèòå 4 êàðòè áÿõà â ïåðôåêòíî ñúñòîÿíèå. Áåç òðàêàùè ïåðêè è áåç íèêàêâè âúíøíè âèäèìè ñëåäè ÷å íÿêîãà ñà ïîëçâàíè äîðè. Åìè ñëó÷âà ñå ïðîñòî êàðòèòå äà äåôåêòèðàò. Áåç çíà÷åíèå êîëêî ñà ïîëçâàíè.

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    Dram calculator

    Çäðàâåéòå,
    Çà äà ñè íàñòðîÿ ïàìåòòà èçòåãëèõ Dram calculator è typhoon burner, íî íå ìîãà äà íàìåðÿ êîðåêòíèòå íàñòðîéêè çà òèïà ïàìåòòà â êàëêóëàòîðà. Â òàéôóíà ìè èçëèçà Die Density / Count
    8 Gb D-die (Davinci / 17 nm) / 1 die à â êàëêóëàòîðà íÿìà íàñòðîéêà çà Hynix D-die.
    Ïàìåòòà ìè å g skill trident z neo ddr4 3600.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tarasque View Post
    Çäðàâåéòå,
    Çà äà ñè íàñòðîÿ ïàìåòòà èçòåãëèõ Dram calculator è typhoon burner, íî íå ìîãà äà íàìåðÿ êîðåêòíèòå íàñòðîéêè çà òèïà ïàìåòòà â êàëêóëàòîðà. Â òàéôóíà ìè èçëèçà Die Density / Count
    8 Gb D-die (Davinci / 17 nm) / 1 die à â êàëêóëàòîðà íÿìà íàñòðîéêà çà Hynix D-die.
    Ïàìåòòà ìè å g skill trident z neo ddr4 3600.


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    Hynix DJR - íîâà ðåâèçèÿ, íàñëåäíèê íà âñåèçâåñòíèÿ CJR. Âñå îùå íÿìà ìíîãî èíôîðìàöèÿ, íî èìà èçãëåäè äà å ïî-äîáúð îò CJR:
    Micron Rev.E + Hynix DJR
    memory_frequency_ddr4_sdram_3008.4_mhz

    Ïðîáâàé ñ íàñòðîéêèòå çà CJR îò êàëêóëàòîðúò èëè àêî òè ñå ÷îïëè ìîæå äà íàìåðèø ðú÷íî è ïî-äîáðè, íàïðèìåð ñ òîâà ðúêîâîäñòâî:
    MemTestHelper/DDR4 OC Guide
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    Áëàãîäàðÿ, ùå ïîëçâàì CJR ÷èñëàòà êàòî ñòàðòîâà ïîçèöèÿ ïúê ùå âèäèì êîëêî îùå ùå èçêàðàì.

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    Áà÷êà ñè RunMemTest-Pro-v2.5,(íàä 2048 MB íà ïðîçîð÷å), íî ãî ðàçðåøèõ îò êàðàíòèíàòà íà äåôåíäåðà è ïîñëå ãî çàáðàíèõ ñëåä òåñòà. Íå ìè ïóêà, çàùîòî èìàì áåêúï íà öåííèòå íåùà Àêî íåùî ñå å ïðåöàêàëî ùå ñâèðêàì

    3000 õ 5...åäâàì íàïðàâèõ ñíèìêàòà, 100% çàåòà ðàì:

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