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    ñèíÿ ìúãëà z1z1's Avatar
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    i5 10400 vs R5 3600 è Óäà÷åí ëè å âñå îùå R5 2600 çà RTX 2080

    Quote Originally Posted by atscata View Post
    Íà i5-öèòå îò 10th gen èì èìà òîâà, ÷å òðÿáâà äà âïðåãíàò ïîâå÷å ÿäðà è íèøêè, â ñðàâíåíèå ñ ryzen 5 3600, çà äà äîêàðàò òîçè ðåçóëòàò, ïî ïðîñòàòà ïðè÷èíà ÷å ñà ïî-ñëàáè.
    R5 3600 è i5 10400 êàòî ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò èçãëåæäàò ìíîãî áëèçêè åäèí äî äðóã.
    Íå ìîæå i5 10400 äà å ïî-ïðîèçâîäèòåëåí â èãðè è åäíîâðåìåííî ñ òîâà äà å ïî-ñëàá.
    Òðÿáâà ìè íåùî ïîâå÷å, çà äà ìè äàêàæåø òâúðäåíèåòî ñè.

    LGA 1200 êàòî öÿëî äàëå÷ íå ìè èçãëåæäà òîëêîâà "DOA" êàêòî ñå ãîâîðè...


    Quote Originally Posted by atscata View Post
     òàçè òàáëèöà íå ñå âèæäà íàòîâàðåíîñòòà íà ïðîöåñîðà è ñúì ñèãóðåí, ÷å àêî ÿ âèäèø è íåÿ ùå îñòàíåø äîñòà èçíåíàäàí.
    Íàòîâàðåíîñòòà íà ïðîöåñîðà â % å îïðåäåëÿù ôàêòîð â ñëó÷àÿ?


    Quote Originally Posted by atscata View Post
    Èìà èì è òîâà, ÷å ñà íà Death on arrival ñîêåòà 1200, çà êîéòî òðÿáâà äà áðîèø 100+ëâ îòãîðå çà äúíî â ñðàâíåíèå ñ ÀÌ4, òàêà ÷å íå å ñàìî 45ëâ îòãîðå.
    Íå.
    Òîêó-ùî ïðîâåðèõ:
    i5-10400F + Asrock H410M-HVS = 335 + 130 = 465 ëâ.
    R5 3600 + Asus Prime B450M-K = 360 + 118 = 478 ëâ.
    Òîâà å íàé-åâòèíèÿ âàðèàíò, êîéòî íàìèðàì.

    Intel Core i7-10700F = 665 ëâ.
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X = 626 ëâ.
    Âñè÷êè öåíè ñà îò Æàð.


    Quote Originally Posted by atscata View Post
    Íà 5 2600 èçîáùî íå ìó å èçïÿòà ïåñåíòà. Õîðàòà òåïúðâà âçèìàò Ryzen 5 1600 AF, çà íîâèòå ñè êîìïþòðè, êîéòî å ïî÷òè ñúùèÿ.
    Õîðàòà äà ñè âçèìàò êàêâîòî ñè èñêàò.
    Íà ìåí ìè å ïèñíàëî äà ñëóøàì êàê ãîëåìèòå êîìïàíèè ìàíèïóëèðàò ïàçàðúò è ïîòðåáèòåëèòå, à ïî-ìàëêèòå ïðîèçâåæäàò "íåùî, êîåòî â äåéñòâèòåëíîñò ñè çàñëóæàâà ïàðèòå".

    Ïðèìåðåí ñàéò, êúäåòî ïî÷òè âñè÷êè ïðîöåñîðè ñà ïîäðåäåíè ïî ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñò - ËÈÍÊ

    R5 2600 íà Single-Core Performance å ìíîãî íàäîëó, íà 73,9% îò ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñòòà íà i7 10700K.


    Quote Originally Posted by atscata View Post
    Òåçè 80-85% ñà íà 1080ð ãåéìèíã. Íà 1440ð èëè íà 4Ê ìèñëèø ëè, ÷å èçîáùî ùå èìà íÿêàêâà ðàçëèêà ìåæäó òåçè ïðîöåñîðè?
    Ñïîðåä òåá íèêîãà íå ñúì âèæäàë ñðàâíåíèÿ â èãðè ñ äðóãè ïðîöåñîðè òî÷íî íà ìîÿòà ðåçîëþöèÿ 1440p?
    Â TechPowerUp (Game Tests) R5 2600 íà 1080p å 85% îò ïðîèçâîäèòåëíîñòòà íà i5-10400F, à íà 1440p e ñúîòâåòíî 92%.


    Quote Originally Posted by atscata View Post
    Åòî ãî Ryzen 2600 + RTX 2080 - 1440P âúâ Far Cry 5 - youtube îòèäè íà 4:50. Âñè÷êî íà óëòðà, 1440p. Êàðòàòà å íà 100%, ïðîöåñîðà å ~40% è ñå ÷óäè êàêâî äà ïðàâè. Ìèíèìàëíè êàäðè 88, ñðåäíè 105.
    Äîáðå, íî ïîãëåäíè ìó êîíôèãóðàöèÿòà:

    Case: Phanteks P400s Silent edition no window
    CPU: Ryzen 2600 4.2GHZ 1.4V
    MOBO: ASUS X370 ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO
    GPU: Palit RTX 2080 GAMING PRO overclocked 125mhz core 700mhz memory
    RAM: 16 GB (2x8) Team Dark Pro 8 Pack Edition 3600 running @ 3466mhz 14-14-14-34 at 1.4v
    OS SSD: HyperX fury 240gb
    Games: 2TB toshiba p300 7200rpm 3.5"
    Cpu Cooler: Infront corsair h90 140 aio with two noctua industrial 140 fans in push pull.
    Cooling: Intake 1 extra 140 noctua industrial
    Exhaust: 1 xNoctua NF-S12A PWM CHROMAX 1200 RPM
    paste: Arctic mx4
    PSU: EVGA 600w White

    Quote Originally Posted by atscata View Post
    Êàêâî èñêàø äà ñå ïîäîáðè? Êóïè ñè ïî-õóáàâà âèäåî êàðòà è ùå èìà ïîäîáðåíèå.
    Âèäåî êàðòàòà ùå ñìåíÿì, êîãàòî èçëåçå RTX 3080 Ti. Àêî RTX 3080 ñè çàñëóæàâà ñïðÿìî ìîÿòà, ìîæå è íåÿ.


    Quote Originally Posted by atscata View Post
    FC 5/New Dawn íåùî ñå÷å ëè òè? Íà êîëêî êàäúðà âúðâè â ìîìåíòà?
    Íàïðàâèõ òåñòîâå:

    2560 x 1440, 75Hz
    FC New Dawn Benchmark - Average FPS - 83; Minimum FPS - 55; Maximum FPS - 124;
    FC 5 Benchmark - Average FPS - 94; Minimum FPS - 75; Maximum FPS - 121;
    AC Odyssey Benchmark - Average FPS - 60; Minimum FPS - 33; Maximum FPS - 109;
    AC Origins Benchmark - Average FPS - 72;
    Shadow of the Tomb Raider Benchmark - Average FPS - 88.

    3620 x 2036, 75Hz
    Far Cry Primal Benchmark - Average FPS - 64; Minimum FPS - 57; Maximum FPS - 74;
    Need For Speed 2016 Online - Average FPS - 74; Minimum FPS - 59; Maximum FPS - 87; (MSI Afterburner)
    DOTA 2 Offline - Average FPS - 123; Minimum FPS - 30; Maximum FPS - 196. (MSI Afterburner)

    Âñè÷êè òåñòâàíè èãðè ñà íà ìàêñèìàëíè ãðàôè÷íè íàñòðîéêè.
    Èçêëþ÷åíèå å ñàìî Tomb Raider Benchmark, êúäåòî DLSS - Îff è SMAAT2x.
    Îáùî âçåòî, ìíîãî äîáðè ðåçóëòàòè.


    RTX 2080 Boost Clock: 1860 MHz, Memory Clock: 1750 MHz; R5 2600 @stock; XPG GAMMIX 2x8GB 3000MHz 16-18-18-36-54-1.
    GPU-Z
    CPU-Z
    B550 AORUS Pro V2 R7 5800X3D + Liquid Freezer II 280 32GB B-die DDR4@3733-16-16-16-36 2TB AORUS Gen4 AORUS RX 6800 XT MASTER Corsair RM850x TT Core P8 AORUS FI27Q-X@240Hz

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    Åäèíèÿ ïðîöåñîð ùå ñòàíå íà ãîäèíêà ñëåä 2-3 ñåäìèöè, à äðóãèÿ å íà åäèí ìåñåö îò êàêòî å ïóñíàò íà ïàçàðà. Èç÷àêàé 3600XT è òîãàâà ãëåäàé ðåçóëòàòèòå 10400F vs. 3600XT.

    ï.ï. È ñè ðåäàêòèðàé çàãëàâèåòî íà òåìàòà.
    Last edited by zaiche; 16th June 2020 at 19:09.
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    3600XT ùå å 500ëâ è ñàìî 100ìõ. áóñò. íàä 3600Õ Äà íå ìèñëèø, ÷å ùå ìó ïîìîãíå? Íå çíàì êîé ùå ãî êóïóâà òîâà. Îñâåí äà èç÷àêà äà ñòàíå 350. Âèæ ðåâþòî íà @DeepBlue êúäå ñòîè 3600@4350.
    10400Ô â ìîìåíòà ñå íàìèðà çà 336ëâ.
    Last edited by Mitos; 16th June 2020 at 19:45.
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    ãðàäñêè âúëê Mech's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaiche View Post
    Åäèíèÿ ïðîöåñîð ùå ñòàíå íà ãîäèíêà ñëåä 2-3 ñåäìèöè, à äðóãèÿ å íà åäèí ìåñåö îò êàêòî å ïóñíàò íà ïàçàðà. Èç÷àêàé 3600XT è òîãàâà ãëåäàé ðåçóëòàòèòå 10400F vs. 3600XT.

    ï.ï. È ñè ðåäàêòèðàé çàãëàâèåòî íà òåìàòà.

    Íèùî íÿìà äà ñå ïîäîáðè è ñ 3600ÕÒ, áàçîâàòà ÷åñòîòà îñòàâà ñúùàòà êàòî íà 3600Õ, áóóñò ÷åñòîòàòà å ñ åäíè 100MHz îòãîðå è öåíà 25$ ïîâå÷å. Ðåàëíî ïîñëåäíèòå áðîéêè 3600 ïðàâÿò ñúùîòî, íî çà ïî-ìàëêî ïàðè.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mech View Post
    Íèùî íÿìà äà ñå ïîäîáðè è ñ 3600ÕÒ...
    À áàø - òàÿ ñåðèÿ ÕÒ ùå å íÿêàêâà áóòèêîâà, çà íàé-ãîëåìèòå åíòóñèàñòè. Ðåàëíî ñ íåÿ ùå ñå ïðîìåíè ñàìî åäíî íåùî - Õ è áåç-Õ ìîäåëèòå ùå ïîåâòèíåÿò îùå. Ñóïåð
    5600X w/Thermaltake PA120 SE | MSI B550 Tomahawk | 2x8GB Crucial Ballistix Black DDR4-3933 CL16 | ASUS Dual RTX 3060 Ti OC v2 | Samsung 960 EVO 250GB + Crucial MX500 500GB + 2TB Toshiba HDD | Cougar VTX500 PSU | Cougar MX330 Mid-Tower | Gigabyte G27Q | Logitech X530 5.1

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    Àêî å ñèñòåìà íà êîÿòî â 99% îò âðåìåòî ùå ñå èãðàÿò èãðè è ùå ñå áðàóçâà, òî ñ 10400F íà òàÿ öåíà îò 336ëâ. ñòàâà ìíîãî äîáðà äîìàøíà ìàøèíà, íî â íèêàêúâ ñëó÷àé ñ H410 ÷èïñåò. Òîâà äîðè íÿìà m.2, à è íàé-âåðîÿòíî çàðàäè ÷èïñåòà è çàõðàíâàùàòà ñõåìà ïðîöåñîðà íÿìà äà áóóñòâà òîëêîâà, êîëêîòî íà B460 äúíî. ASRock B460M-HDV å 170ëâ. è íå ïðåäëàãà íåùî êîé çíàå êîëêî çà òèÿ ïàðè, òà àêî ñå òúðñè àäåêâàòíî äúíî çà òîÿ ïðîöåñîð ñè îòèâàø íàä 200ëâ. äîêàòî äúíà ñ B450 çà AMD çà 150ëâ. èìà ñ 4 ñëîòà çà ïàìåò, m2 è âúçìîæíîñòè çà îâúðêëîê ñ îõëàæäàíå íà VRM-èòå. Òà ÿçúê çà öåíàòà íà ïðîöåñîðà, êàòî äúíàòà ñà ñêúïè.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyudmil View Post
    Àêî å ñèñòåìà íà êîÿòî â 99% îò âðåìåòî ùå ñå èãðàÿò èãðè è ùå ñå áðàóçâà, òî ñ 10400F íà òàÿ öåíà îò 336ëâ. ñòàâà ìíîãî äîáðà äîìàøíà ìàøèíà, íî â íèêàêúâ ñëó÷àé ñ H410 ÷èïñåò. Òîâà äîðè íÿìà m.2, à è íàé-âåðîÿòíî çàðàäè ÷èïñåòà è çàõðàíâàùàòà ñõåìà ïðîöåñîðà íÿìà äà áóóñòâà òîëêîâà, êîëêîòî íà B460 äúíî. ASRock B460M-HDV å 170ëâ. è íå ïðåäëàãà íåùî êîé çíàå êîëêî çà òèÿ ïàðè, òà àêî ñå òúðñè àäåêâàòíî äúíî çà òîÿ ïðîöåñîð ñè îòèâàø íàä 200ëâ. äîêàòî äúíà ñ B450 çà AMD çà 150ëâ. èìà ñ 4 ñëîòà çà ïàìåò, m2 è âúçìîæíîñòè çà îâúðêëîê ñ îõëàæäàíå íà VRM-èòå. Òà ÿçúê çà öåíàòà íà ïðîöåñîðà, êàòî äúíàòà ñà ñêúïè.

    Íÿêîè äúíà ñà âñå îùå ñêúïè â ÁÃ, â íåìñêî öåíèòå ñà ñè ïðèëè÷íè. Åòî åäíî B460 êîåòî å ïîä 200 ëâ è èäåàëíî ïàñâà íà 10400F, èìà ñè âñè÷êî çà òàêúâ ïðîöåñîð:


    Asrock B460 Phantom Gaming 4 - 190 ëâ + i5-10400F - 338 ëâ (ñ áåçïëàòíà äîñòàâêà)

    Îáùî 528 ëâ

    Ñúñ 101.0 MHz øèíà è áóòâàíå íà power limit-à íà 125W åòî òè åäíè 100MHz îòãîðå, à ìîæå è ïîâå÷å.
    Last edited by Mech; 16th June 2020 at 21:13.
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    btw, Core i5-10600KF å 512 ëåâà, àêî äî÷àêàø ïîðú÷êàòà äå - àêî ùå å çà èãðè, îðÿçàí i5 å îïèò äà ñå ìèíå òúíêî, àìà … Àëòåðíàòèâàòà å 3600X (äàæå áåç T) ïàðòèäà îò òàçè ãîäèíà.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z1z1 View Post
    2560 x 1440, 75Hz
    FC New Dawn Benchmark - Average FPS - 83; Minimum FPS - 55; Maximum FPS - 124;
    FC 5 Benchmark - Average FPS - 94; Minimum FPS - 75; Maximum FPS - 121;
    AC Odyssey Benchmark - Average FPS - 60; Minimum FPS - 33; Maximum FPS - 109;
    AC Origins Benchmark - Average FPS - 72;
    Shadow of the Tomb Raider Benchmark - Average FPS - 88.

    3620 x 2036, 75Hz
    Far Cry Primal Benchmark - Average FPS - 64; Minimum FPS - 57; Maximum FPS - 74;
    Need For Speed 2016 Online - Average FPS - 74; Minimum FPS - 59; Maximum FPS - 87; (MSI Afterburner)
    DOTA 2 Offline - Average FPS - 123; Minimum FPS - 30; Maximum FPS - 196. (MSI Afterburner)

    Âñè÷êè òåñòâàíè èãðè ñà íà ìàêñèìàëíè ãðàôè÷íè íàñòðîéêè.
    Èçêëþ÷åíèå å ñàìî Tomb Raider Benchmark, êúäåòî DLSS - Îff è SMAAT2x.
    Îáùî âçåòî, ìíîãî äîáðè ðåçóëòàòè.


    RTX 2080 Boost Clock: 1860 MHz, Memory Clock: 1750 MHz; R5 2600 @stock; XPG GAMMIX 2x8GB 3000MHz 16-18-18-36-54-1.
    GPU-Z
    CPU-Z
    Òåñòîâå R5 2600 vs i7-10700K:

    2560 x 1440, 75Hz
    FC New Dawn Benchmark - Average FPS - 83; Minimum FPS - 55; Maximum FPS - 124;
    FC New Dawn Benchmark - Average FPS - 102; Minimum FPS - 84; Maximum FPS - 125; Average FPS + 23%, Minimum FPS + 53%

    FC 5 Benchmark - Average FPS - 94; Minimum FPS - 75; Maximum FPS - 121;
    FC 5 Benchmark - Average FPS - 105; Minimum FPS - 95; Maximum FPS - 119; Average FPS + 12%, Minimum FPS + 27%

    AC Odyssey Benchmark - Average FPS - 60; Minimum FPS - 33; Maximum FPS - 109;
    AC Odyssey Benchmark - Average FPS - 62; Minimum FPS - 39; Maximum FPS - 108; Average FPS + 3%, Minimum FPS + 19%

    AC Origins Benchmark - Average FPS - 72;
    AC Origins Benchmark - Average FPS - 76; Average FPS + 6%

    Shadow of the Tomb Raider Benchmark - Average FPS - 88. - Áåç ðàçëèêà.

    3620 x 2036, 75Hz
    Far Cry Primal Benchmark - Average FPS - 64; Minimum FPS - 57; Maximum FPS - 74; - Áåç ðàçëèêà.

    Need For Speed 2016 Online - Average FPS - 74; Minimum FPS - 59; Maximum FPS - 87; (MSI Afterburner) - Áåç ðàçëèêà.

    DOTA 2 Offline - Average FPS - 123; Minimum FPS - 30; Maximum FPS - 196. (MSI Afterburner)
    DOTA 2 Offline - Average FPS - 180; Minimum FPS - 113; Maximum FPS - 214. (MSI Afterburner) Average FPS + 47%, Minimum FPS + 273%

    RTX 2080 Boost Clock: 1860 MHz, Memory Clock: 1750 MHz; i7 10700K @stock; XPG GAMMIX 2x8GB 3000MHz 16-18-18-36-54-1.
    GPU-Z
    CPU-Z

    Äðóãà èãðà, êîÿòî ìíîãî ìè õàðåñâà å Metro Exodus. Intel èìàò ìàëêî ïðåäèìñòâî ïðåä AMD â íåÿ, íî íå ñúì ïðàâèë òåñòîâå.

    Ïðè DOTA 2 â èãðà ñ áîòîâå íå çíàì çàùî ñå ïîëó÷àâà òàêàâà ãîëÿìà ðàçëèêà. È â äâàòà ñëó÷àÿ FPS îãðàíè÷èòåëÿ áåøå íà 240 FPS.

    Ïî-òî÷íè è ÷åñòíè ðåçóëòàòè îò òåçè, íå ìîãà äà äàì.
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