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    Ðàáîòà íà äèçåë áåç òîê è íà áåíçèí áåç èñêðà?

    Èìàõ åäèí ñòàð ñèòðîåí ÷èñò äèçåë. Ãàñÿ ãî ñ êëþ÷à ïðåä íàñ è òðúãâàì äà ñëèçàì, à òîé ïðîäúëæàâà äà ðàáîòè áåç òîê Îêàçà ñå èçãîðÿë ìàãíèòåí êëàïàí íà íàôòàòà, êîéòî êàòî èçãàñèø ïàäà è ñïèðà ãîðèâîòî èíà÷å íÿìà ãàñíåíå
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    Èìàõ åäèí ñòàð ñèòðîåí ÷èñò äèçåë. Ãàñÿ ãî ñ êëþ÷à ïðåä íàñ è òðúãâàì äà ñëèçàì, à òîé ïðîäúëæàâà äà ðàáîòè áåç òîê Îêàçà ñå èçãîðÿë ìàãíèòåí êëàïàí íà íàôòàòà, êîéòî êàòî èçãàñèø ïàäà è ñïèðà ãîðèâîòî èíà÷å íÿìà ãàñíåíå
    Âèêàé óðà è áëàãîäàðè òàì íà êàêâîòî âÿðâàø, ÷å å áèë òîçè êëàïàí...

    Åäèí ïðèÿòåë ãðúìíà äâèãàòåë íà ïúòÿ - íàãîðå ïî íÿêàêúâ áàèð, ôîðñèðàë è íÿêàêâî èçíîñåíî óïëúòíåíèå ïîçâîëÿâà íà äâèãàòåëÿ äà çàñìó÷å ãîðåùî ìàñëî îò êàðòåðà è çàïî÷âà ñàìîñòîÿòåëíî ãîðåíå. Óãàñèë òîé ñ êëþ÷à, àìà ÿäåö, äâèãàòåëÿ ïðîäúëæàâà äà ñå ôîðñèðà, ìàêñèìàëíè îáîðîòè, ïóøåê, ñìðàä è òàêà äîêàòî äâèãàòåëÿò çàäðàë. Áèëî å ñòðàøíî!
    Ïîñëå ãî îòâîðèõà, âñè÷êî áåøå íà ìàðìàëàä, íÿêúäå èìàõ ñíèìêà íà êëàïàí è áóòàëî â èíòåðåñíà êîìïîçèöèÿ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ïàâëèí Àíäðååâ View Post
    Âèêàé óðà è áëàãîäàðè òàì íà êàêâîòî âÿðâàø, ÷å å áèë òîçè êëàïàí...

    Åäèí ïðèÿòåë ãðúìíà äâèãàòåë íà ïúòÿ - íàãîðå ïî íÿêàêúâ áàèð, ôîðñèðàë è íÿêàêâî èçíîñåíî óïëúòíåíèå ïîçâîëÿâà íà äâèãàòåëÿ äà çàñìó÷å ãîðåùî ìàñëî îò êàðòåðà è çàïî÷âà ñàìîñòîÿòåëíî ãîðåíå. Óãàñèë òîé ñ êëþ÷à, àìà ÿäåö, äâèãàòåëÿ ïðîäúëæàâà äà ñå ôîðñèðà, ìàêñèìàëíè îáîðîòè, ïóøåê, ñìðàä è òàêà äîêàòî äâèãàòåëÿò çàäðàë. Áèëî å ñòðàøíî!
    Ïîñëå ãî îòâîðèõà, âñè÷êî áåøå íà ìàðìàëàä, íÿêúäå èìàõ ñíèìêà íà êëàïàí è áóòàëî â èíòåðåñíà êîìïîçèöèÿ.
    Êàòî áèâø ñîáñòâåíèê íà Ëàãóíà 2 1,9äöè, êúäåòî òîâà å ÷åñòî ñðåùàíà äðàìà êàòî ãðúìíå òóðáîòî - â òàêúâ ñëó÷àé êîëàòà ñå ãàñè êàòî ñå âêëþ÷è íà 6-òà (èëè 5-òà ïðè ëèïñà íà 6-òà) ñ íàòèñíàòà ñïèðà÷êà.

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    Çàùî 5-òà èëè 6-òà, à íå êîÿòî è äà å ïðåäàâêà?
    ïèêàÿ ñåäíàë

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    Ïðåäàâàòåëíè ÷èñëà.
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    Èìàõ â ïðåäâèä, ÷å íàìîòêàòà íà êëàïàíà áåøå èçãîðÿëà è íå ðàáîòåøå. Èçãàñèõ ÿ êàòî ÿ çàäàâèõ íà ñêîðîñò.
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    Ðàçáðàõ òå. Èìàõ ïðåäâèä, ÷å äîðè è ïðè ñïðÿíî ãîðèâî, äâèãàòåëÿò ìîæå äà íàïðàâè áåëÿ. Íàìåðèõ ñè è ñíèìêèòå:



    Òîâà áåøå åäèíñòâåíîòî çäðàâî áóòàëî, âñè÷êî äðóãî áåøå íà ïàð÷åòà.
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    Òîâà ñ ìåõàíè÷íèòå äèçåëè ïîíÿêîãà å òúðñåí åôåêò - èìàì òàêúâ èíäóñòðèàëåí äâèãàòåë ñ åë. êëàïàí è ðú÷íî êðàí÷å âúðçàíè óñïîðåäíî. Àêî ïî íÿêàêâà ïðè÷èíà íÿìà òîê - ïàëèø ñ ìàíèâåëà, ãàñèø ñ êðàí÷åòî.

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    Íÿêîè ïî-ïðåìèóì çà ãîäèíèòå ñè äèçåëè èìàò êëàïàí íà âõîäÿùèÿ êîëåêòîð, êîéòî íîðìàëíî å çà ìåêî ãàñåíå áåç ïðèòðèñàíå, íî ñå îêàçâàò äâèãàòåëîñïàñÿâàùè ïðè çàñìóêàíî ìàñëî ïðåç êàðòåð/òóðáî è ò.í.
    Îùå åäèí íåïîçíàò íà áåíçèíàäæèèòå ïðîáëåì (:

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    Äà èìàø äèçåë íå å ïðîñòà ðàáîòà.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moridinbg View Post
    Íÿêîè ïî-ïðåìèóì çà ãîäèíèòå ñè äèçåëè èìàò êëàïàí íà âõîäÿùèÿ êîëåêòîð, êîéòî íîðìàëíî å çà ìåêî ãàñåíå áåç ïðèòðèñàíå, íî ñå îêàçâàò äâèãàòåëîñïàñÿâàùè ïðè çàñìóêàíî ìàñëî ïðåç êàðòåð/òóðáî è ò.í.
    Îùå åäèí íåïîçíàò íà áåíçèíàäæèèòå ïðîáëåì (:
    Íå ïîìàãà òàçè êëàïà àêî òóðáèíàòà òè âêàðà ìàñëî â ìîòîðà è ñå çàïàëè. ×óâàë ñúì, ÷å àêî êîëàòà å ñ ðú÷íà ñêîðîñòíà êóòèÿ òðÿáâà äà âêàðàø ïîñëåäíàòà ïðåäàâêà è äà ïóñíåø ñúåäèíèòåëÿ.

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    Ñúâðåìåííèòå áåíçèíîâè äâèãàòåëè âñå ïîâå÷å ñå äîáëèæàâàò äî äèçåëîâèòå.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceto View Post
    Ñúâðåìåííèòå áåíçèíîâè äâèãàòåëè âñå ïîâå÷å ñå äîáëèæàâàò äî äèçåëîâèòå.

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    Äà è àç çàáåëÿçâàì, ÷å ìàñîâî ïî äèçåëèòå çàïî÷íàõà äà ñëàãàò ìåõàíè÷íè êîìïðåñîðè.

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    Íå, íà áåíçèíèòå ñëàãàò äèðåêòíî âïðúñêâàíå, óâåëè÷àâàíå íà êîìïðåñèÿòà, çàïàëâàíå áåç ñâåùè, ôèëòúð çà òâúðäè ÷àñòèöè.
    È ïðåäè äà ñå ñìååø, âçåìè ïðî÷åòè.

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    È êàêâî êàòî ñëàãàò äèðåêòíî âïðúñêâàíå? Ïîãëåäíè êàêâè ñà íàëÿãàíèÿòà ïðè ÊÐ-à è ïðè áåíçèíèòå. Ìîæå è äà èìà çàïàëâàíå áåç ñâåùè, ìàé Ìàçäà èìàõà ïîäîáíè íî òîâà íå å ìàñîâî.
    Ôèëòúðà çà òâúðäè ÷àñòèöè êàêâî îáùî èìà ñ äâèãàòåëÿ? Îñâåí, ÷å íà áåíçèíà íÿìà äà ñå çàäðúñòè àêî êàðàø ñàìî ãðàäñêî.
    Ìîæå ñúùî äà ïîñî÷èø áåíçèíèòå êîèòî ñà ñ 3 èëè 4 òóðáèíè.

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    Íèùî íå áèëî
    Ñàìî âäèãàëè íàëÿãàíåòî
    Ñàìî ñëàãàò äèðåêòíî âïðúñêâàíå
    Íàñî÷âàò ñå êúì ïàëåíå áåç ñâåùè

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceto View Post
    Íèùî íå áèëî
    Ñàìî âäèãàëè íàëÿãàíåòî
    Ñàìî ñëàãàò äèðåêòíî âïðúñêâàíå
    Íàñî÷âàò ñå êúì ïàëåíå áåç ñâåùè

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    Íàëÿãàíèÿòà ñà...
    bmw b58 (áåíçèí) - 200bar
    bmw b57 (äèçåë) - 2700bar

    Ñàìî íàä 10 ïúòè.

    Äèðåêòíî âïðúñêâàíå ïðè áåíçèíèòå èìà îò ñóìàòè âðåìå, èìà ïðåäîñòàòú÷íî äâèãàòåëè, êîèòî íÿìàò ïðîáëåìè. Îò ïîíå 15 ãîäèíè èìà äâèãàòåëè ñúñ êîìáèíèðàíî âïðúñêâàíå, íàïîñëåäúê ïî÷íàõà äà ñòàâàò è ïî-ìàñîâè - çàáðàâÿø èçîáùî çà ïîòåíöèàëíè íàãàðè, êîèòî òàêà èëè èíà÷å ñå êîíòðîëèðàò äîáðå ñúñ íÿêîè âñåèçâåñòíè èçêëþ÷åíèÿ.

    Ïàëåíåòî áåç ñâåùè ïðè Skyactiv-X íÿìà îáùî ñúñ äèçåëèòå.

    Âñå îùå èìà àòìîñôåðíè áåíçèíè.

    Âçåìè ïðî÷åòè ïîâå÷êî.

    Quote Originally Posted by edna-luda-glawa View Post
    Àç ñúùî èìàì âúïðîñ÷å - êàòî çà ïúðâà äèçåëîâà êîëà - äà ãî ìàõàì ëè EGR-à, ìîãà ëè äà î÷àêâàì ðàçíè èçíåíàäè?
    Çíàì ÷å íà Om611 ìîæå äà ñå ìàõíå è ñîôòóåðíî äà ñå èçêëþ÷è, äà íå ñè ãî òúðñè êîëàòà.
    Èëè å ïî-äîáðå êàòî ìó äîéäå âðåìåòî äà ãî ñìåíÿ?
    Ñâàëÿø ãî, ÷èñòèø ãî (çàåäíî ñúñ âñè÷êè ïðîõîäè), ñëàãàø îáðàòíî, êàðàø. ×èòàâî ãîðèâî (êîëêîòî å âúçìîæíî), ðàáîòåùè äþçè (ùå ðå÷å ðàçïðúñêâàíå, äåáèò, êîíòðîë, ò.í.), ÷èòàâî ìàñëî (low-SAPS è íå îò åâòèíèòå) è êàðàø.

    Ïî îòíîøåíèå íà "èñòèíñêèòå ïðåãëåäè" - êàòî òè ìåðÿò ñàìî è åäèíñòâåíî "äèìíîñò", ïðåìàõíàò EGR è óâåëè÷åí boost íàé-ìíîãî äà ïîìîãíå.
    Last edited by Lwerewolf; 10th March 2021 at 17:28.
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    Å, ñïîðåä Ìàçäà å ñëåäíîòî
    SKYACTIV-X offers the best of both diesel and gasoline engines with none of the disadvantages. It does this thanks to a new technology called Spark Controlled Compression Ignition (SPCCI). Running on regular gasoline

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceto View Post
    Å, ñïîðåä Ìàçäà å ñëåäíîòî
    SKYACTIV-X offers the best of both diesel and gasoline engines with none of the disadvantages. It does this thanks to a new technology called Spark Controlled Compression Ignition (SPCCI). Running on regular gasoline

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    Ùå ÷åòåì ðåêëàìíèòå áðîøóðêè ëè âå÷å?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindor View Post
    Ùå ÷åòåì ðåêëàìíèòå áðîøóðêè ëè âå÷å?
    Ïîíå ÷åòåì íåùî

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceto View Post
    Å, ñïîðåä Ìàçäà å ñëåäíîòî
    SKYACTIV-X offers the best of both diesel and gasoline engines with none of the disadvantages. It does this thanks to a new technology called Spark Controlled Compression Ignition (SPCCI). Running on regular gasoline

    Èçïðàòåíî îò ìîÿò Mi 9T ñ ïîìîùòà íà Tapatalk
    Ïðî÷åòè êàêâî å homogeneous charge compression ignition. Ïðî÷åòè êàê Mazda "ïîäïîìàãàò" íàëÿãàíåòî â ãîðèâíàòà êàìåðà. Âëîæè ìàëêî òðóä âúâ ñëåäâàùèÿò òè êîìåíòàð
    B550 vision d-p | 5800x | D15s blk | 5700XT Nitro+ | F4-4000C14D-16GVK x2 | SS 520FL | FD Torrent grey | SB AE-5 | SRH940 (mod) | G900 | G840 | K70rgb Gateron | 34uc79g | Vive | Index...
    Spectre 13.5 | SP3 | Mi Max 1 | 8770w | 8740w
    And as always, remember to start your day with outrage

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    Óàó, ìàëêî àíãëèéñêè è âå÷å ïèøåì íåùî ìíîãî óìíî, à ñè îñòàâà ñàìîçàïàëâàíå.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iceto View Post
    Óàó, ìàëêî àíãëèéñêè è âå÷å ïèøåì íåùî ìíîãî óìíî, à ñè îñòàâà ñàìîçàïàëâàíå.


    Èçïðàòåíî îò ìîÿò Mi 9T ñ ïîìîùòà íà Tapatalk
     íèòî åäèí ìîìåíò òîÿ äâèãàòåë íå ìîæå äà ðàáîòè áåç èñêðà îò ñâåùòà, à èñêðà îò ñâåùòà è ñàìîçàïàëâàíå ñà âçàèìíî èçêëþ÷âàùè ñå ïîíÿòèÿ. Èìà áåíçèíîâè, â êîèòî èìàø èñòèíñêî ñàìîçàïàëâàíå ïîíå ïðè îïðåäåëåíè óñëîâèÿ ðàáîòÿò áåç èñêðà îò ñâåùòà, íî ñà ïðîòîòèïè.
    Stability itself is nothing else than a more sluggish motiîn

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilution View Post
     íèòî åäèí ìîìåíò òîÿ äâèãàòåë íå ìîæå äà ðàáîòè áåç èñêðà îò ñâåùòà, à èñêðà îò ñâåùòà è ñàìîçàïàëâàíå ñà âçàèìíî èçêëþ÷âàùè ñå ïîíÿòèÿ. Èìà áåíçèíîâè, â êîèòî èìàø èñòèíñêî ñàìîçàïàëâàíå ïîíå ïðè îïðåäåëåíè óñëîâèÿ ðàáîòÿò áåç èñêðà îò ñâåùòà, íî ñà ïðîòîòèïè.
    ðàáîòè, òî òîâà å öåëòà.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanBird View Post
    ðàáîòè, òî òîâà å öåëòà.
    Íå, íå ðàáîòè.
    Òîâà "spark controlled" êàêâî îçíà÷àâà ñïîðåä òåá? Èëè äà ïîãëåäíåì èçòî÷íèêà:
    SKYACTIV-X offers the best of both diesel and gasoline engines with none of the disadvantages. It does this thanks to a new technology called Spark Controlled Compression Ignition (SPCCI). Running on regular gasoline, SPCCI works by compressing the fuel-air mix at a much higher compression ratio, with a very lean mix. The SKYACTIV-X engine uses a spark to ignite only a small, dense amount of the fuel-air mix in the cylinder. This raises the temperature and pressure so that the remaining fuel-air mix ignites under pressure (like a diesel), burning faster and more completely than in conventional engines.
    Ñåêè ñàì ñè ïðåöåíÿ.

    #makeHWBGgreatagain

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