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30th May 2004 22:21 #1
LCD: ?
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1) Samsung SyncMaster 173P
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30th May 2004 22:55 #2
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30th May 2004 23:05 #3Registered User
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17" , NEK - /1760 / EIZO . -. 60. . - www.vali.bg
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30th May 2004 23:35 #4
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31st May 2004 00:16 #5
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http://www4.tomshardware.com/display...13/lcd-08.htmlLast edited by jinom; 31st May 2004 at 00:35.
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31st May 2004 02:20 #6
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31st May 2004 03:42 #7?Originally posted by
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31st May 2004 13:34 #8
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> Samsung SyncMaster 172X , Samsung SyncMaster 173P, - 12-16 . . GAMERS ,
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ais > LCD na EIZO . , . EIZO , sa s 40% LCD , 40% C|NET
http://reviews.cnet.com/LCD_Monitors...id=&1000036id=
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jinom BENQ SyncMaster 172X, SyncMaster 173P
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bobytt > , Samsung 2 / LCD , . Sony 2 LCD Samsung, BENQ , a - LCD.
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GeniusLoci Bloody , , SyncMaster 173P. . EIZO LCD 16. A 1000:1 , . , - CRT LCD
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31st May 2004 14:58 #9
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31st May 2004 22:00 #10
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1st June 2004 08:05 #11Originally posted by GeniusLoci
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> Samsung SyncMaster 172X , Samsung SyncMaster 173P, - 12-16 . . GAMERS ,
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1st June 2004 11:10 #12
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1st June 2004 11:28 #13
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1st June 2004 13:07 #14

, a LCD display? 172X ili NEC-a?
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Geniusloci > EIZO, SONY ..., LG- LCD ?
2- GAME , , shooter, RTS (WC3 ....). - DivX , XviD .
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Google a Samsung 173P , 90% , 9% DVD, DivX, XviD i 1% RTS games.
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: / ? http://www.sony-cp.com/en/products/l...x73/index.htmlLast edited by olo; 1st June 2004 at 13:46.
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1st June 2004 14:43 #15
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1st June 2004 15:08 #16
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1st June 2004 15:13 #17
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1st June 2004 15:31 #18
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18- And 24-bit Color Interpolations:
....... the AU Optronics panel does not really display 16.7 million colors, but only 262,144. It completes the missing panel by quickly alternating between the colors that are close to the missing ones, at such high speed that the eye does not detect it.
Looking more closely at the panel, it isn't the only one to adopt this tactic, far from it. Almost all of the panels sold in the mass market do not operate at 24 bits (16.7 million colors) but at 18 bits (262,144 colors). Yet all of them still claim to display 16 million colors. The minor difference, in this case, is that they don't display 16.7 million, but 16.2 million. In order to achieve this, all of them use a technique called "dithering" that, like the AU, displays alternately the two closest colors. There are now a multiplicity of algorithms that make this possible and more or less effective.
A 24-bit matrix is one in which each RGB cell works at 8 bits, because 8 x 3 = 24. The 18-bit matrices, such the one used in the AU, content itself with 6 bits per color. Where the former really do display 256 nuances, the 6-bit matrices can only distinguish 64. In concrete terms, where the 24-bit screen recognizes colors 248, 249, 250, 251, and 252 the 18-bit screen makes do with 248 and 252...........With dithering, the 16-bits do not actually display all 256 colors, but only 253 per RGB component, making 253 x 253 x 253 = 16.19 million colors. This is then rounded up to 16.2 million. So that's how you can distinguish an 18-bit panel from a 24-bit one. Only the latter will claim to display 16.7 million colors.
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1st June 2004 16:47 #19
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1st June 2004 16:56 #20
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Optronics ViewSonic VP171b, NEC LCD
1760V, Proview PS-776D, Solarism LM-1730, Viewsonic VG
170m .Last edited by Neotrace; 1st June 2004 at 17:06.
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1st June 2004 18:38 #21
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In order to create the shades required for a full-colour display, there have to be some intermediate levels of brightness between all-light and no-light passing through. The varying levels of brightness required to create a full-colour display is achieved by changing the strength of the voltage applied to the crystals. The liquid crystals in fact untwist at a speed directly proportional to the strength of the voltage, thereby allowing the amount of light passing through to be controlled. In practice, though, the voltage variation of today's LCDs can only offer 64 different shades per element (6-bit) as opposed to full-colour CRT displays which can create 256 shades (8-bit). Using three elements per pixel, this results in colour LCDs delivering a maximum of 262,144 colours (18-bit), compared to true-colour CRT monitors supplying 16,777,216 colours (24-bit).
As multimedia applications become more widespread, the lack of true 24-bit colour on LCD panels is becoming an issue. Whilst 18-bit is fine for most applications, it is insufficient for photographic or video work. Some LCD designs manage to extend the colour depth to 24-bit by displaying alternate shades on successive frame refreshes, a technique known as Frame Rate Control (FRC). However, if the difference is too great, flicker is perceived.
Hitachi has developed a technique, whereby the voltage applied to adjacent cells to create patterns changes very slightly across a sequence of three or four frames. With it, Hitachi can simulate not quite 256 greyscales, but still a highly respectable 253 greyscales, which translates into over 16 million colours - virtually indistinguishable from 24-bit true colour.
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1st June 2004 19:49 #22
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2nd June 2004 12:10 #24
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